[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Neil
Have a read of Andy, G4SZM's work here: http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ The pictures page shows you the modifications to make an analogue repeater work on D-Star. http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ There are a couple over in Ireland using this info to good effect. :) Neil. G7EBY. --- In

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Tony Langdon
At 03:17 PM 7/3/2009, you wrote: Ok with all the talk of interfacing DV and FM, here is another question if there is an FM repeater, that has no tone whatsoever, what is it about Dstar that it wont pass through? Fm repeaters normally use deemphasis and preemphasis, and the audio path may not

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Tony Langdon
At 04:04 PM 7/3/2009, you wrote: Have a read of Andy, G4SZM's work here: http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ The pictures page shows you the modifications to make an analogue repeater work on D-Star. http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ There are a couple over in Ireland using this info to good

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Using the DD

2009-07-03 Thread john_ke5c
The best place to start is with your repeater owner/gateway administrator. The gateway may not be configured for general Internet access. We didn't have to do anything specific to allow general internet browsing via DD when we set up the gateway. If named is broken on the gateway you

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D)
Looks like the thread is migrating from connecting a DSTAR radio to an FM radio or repeater, into building a non-Icom DSTAR repeater. It doesn't take much 'magic' to run dstar through a PMR or LMR here in the Colonies, radio. BUT, You loose the DSTAR ID packets and such generated by the

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Neil
Hi Tony, I spoke to Andy SZM earlier, he was quite pleased that others were interested in modifying PMR gear, and that the fact that an Icom D-Star box is just two FM trancievers in a shiny case, obviously with no analogue whatsoever available on them to the end user is just that. GMSK can be

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Using the DD

2009-07-03 Thread john_ke5c
Some administrators may block Internet access. Talking to the administrator of the local system will provide the local system knowledge. As an admin, I'm just curious how that could be done, block general internet browsing via DD but not block DD QSO gateway routing? 73 -- John

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Neil
Hi Steve, Trust you are well. I think the threads where people were connecting a D-Star radio to an analogue radio or repeater (or visa versa) have been discussed before and been met with quite a wall of opposition when they tried. Its a shame someone wouldn't come up with a 'caller ID' type

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread john_ke5c
As far as I can see or know, Andy's repeater doesn't buffer or 'hold' any data, it is purely passed directly and almost instantaneously into the TX from the RX, after the comparator circuit that helps smooth off the 0's and 1's. Andy then is almost certainly transmitting plain FM, not

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Neil
Hi John, Well, D-Star IS plain FM, you buy an FM transceiver and the add on board just utilises that for the GMSK data, like packet or any other data mode for that matter. Yes, I agree that the bandwidth is full scale all the time, but measure it on a scope and see that the GMSK data is the

RES: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Joao Roberto S. G. Ferreira
Before we have the Icom D-Star repeater, we used to talk DV on our UHF repeater. Works just like FM, we can't see any difference in performance. If the audio from repeater receiver is from discriminator (no de-emphasis) and is feed to the transmitter modulator (no pre-emphasis), everything pass

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Tony Langdon
At 12:58 AM 7/4/2009, you wrote: Its a shame your TX is what it is, maybe a redundant FM TX rig would suffice instead? (And be a quick fix.) True, but the Tx I have is an old repeater workhorse, with a proven track record, and it came at a good price! :) If I put up something on D-STAR, I

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Neil
Strange, we are almost out of 2M allocations here. (FM or DV.) --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tony Langdon vk3...@... wrote: At 12:58 AM 7/4/2009, you wrote: Its a shame your TX is what it is, maybe a redundant FM TX rig would suffice instead? (And be a quick fix.) True, but the

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Using the DD

2009-07-03 Thread Adrian
John D. Hays wrote: Some administrators may block Internet access. Talking to the administrator of the local system will provide the local system knowledge. I have not seen anyone mention the tcp/ip properties in the lan (network connections) see;

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Using the DD

2009-07-03 Thread Adrian
As an admin, I'm just curious how that could be done, block general internet browsing via DD but not block DD QSO gateway routing? 73 -- John Easy, just shut down the router port used for DD. There is no gateway DD QSO routing. Apart from internet connectivity DD connections to the

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Tony Langdon
At 08:23 AM 7/4/2009, you wrote: Strange, we are almost out of 2M allocations here. (FM or DV.) We're out on FM here, DV works, because it can be squeezed in between FM channels (we use 25 kHz spacing on FM here), provided you keep the adjacent FM/DV channels geographically spaced apart. 73 de

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread DALE BLANCHARD
- Original Message - From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com To: dstar digital dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 3:23:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions Strange, we are almost out of 2M allocations here. (FM

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Saying D-STAR IS plain FM is even worse than calling PM, FM. There's a difference, a very big difference. FM=Frequency Modulation. D-STAR Frequency Modulated, no way, no how. Can a FM transmitter send a GMSK signal? Well, a FM transmitter can be modified to do so, but then it really isn't an

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions

2009-07-03 Thread Bob K0NR (email list)
Woodrick, Ed wrote: Saying D-STAR IS plain FM is even worse than calling PM, FM. There's a difference, a very big difference. FM=Frequency Modulation. D-STAR Frequency Modulated, no way, no how. Can a FM transmitter send a GMSK signal? Well, a FM transmitter can be modified to do so, but