[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment (Was: Looking for DSTAR MAP)

2010-03-17 Thread john_ke5c
Chris Fowler wrote: Has ICOM extended the spec so that Yaesu can not make a compliant radio? Yes, the codec is locked down but I don't see what would prevent Alinco from making a HT that can talk to an ICOM repeater. John D. Hays wrote: Anyone can make a D-STAR air protocol

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment (Was: Looking for DSTAR MAP)

2010-03-17 Thread Ted Wrobel
Hi Folks, No it isn't 'true'. The codec used is the one defined by the D-STAR spec. It is the DVSI AMBE codec and is, I am told, the same as that used in P25 systems. There are several non-Icom projects, like the DVDongle and the several 'non icom' repeater stacks running today. With NO Icom

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread kn4aq
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Ted Wrobel twro...@... wrote: Hi Folks, The codec used is the one defined by the D-STAR spec. It is the DVSI AMBE codec and is, I am told, the same as that used in P25 systems. For the record, P25 uses DVSI's IMBE vocoder. It's similar to the AMBE

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread John Hays
On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:45 AM, kn4aq wrote: For the record, P25 uses DVSI's IMBE vocoder. It's similar to the AMBE used in D-STAR, but not identical. See page 81-82 of this document: http://www.p25.com/resources/P25TrainingGuide.pdf (Phase 2 uses AMBE+2) John D. Hays Amateur Radio

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread J. Moen
A couple of years ago, I talked to a Kenwood manager who discussed Kenwood's approach to DStar. Short term, there are some tactical issues. Right now, some agencies (e.g. Emergency Centers that want some Ham gear in there) with government grants are required to follow federal procurement

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread Chris Fowler
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 12:30 -0700, J. Moen wrote: Longer term, Kenwood's business model is to focus on products with a reasonable margin, and they are not interested in entering a new market and seeing a price war that would reduce traditional margins. So in the meantime, Kenwood is

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment (Was: Looking for DSTAR MAP)

2010-03-17 Thread john_ke5c
It is a question of the G2 network at this point, there is a lot of politics going on about who and what can connect, but the technology exists. Maybe that's what I was trying to say. :) Well, next up is a node adapter of some type. 73--John

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 06:40 AM 3/18/2010, you wrote: The one thing I hate is using memories to do everything. Go to a new area and you've got to program new memories. Ever see one of Mark's , KJ4VO, files? He has everything in there. I get confused just looking at one. I think the way memories currently work

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment (Was: Looking for DSTAR MAP)

2010-03-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 10:11 AM 3/18/2010, you wrote: It is a question of the G2 network at this point, there is a lot of politics going on about who and what can connect, but the technology exists. Maybe that's what I was trying to say. :) Politics is definitely a bigger barrier than technology at this point

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Let's get some details correct. Icom is NOT the only manufacturer of D-STAR radios. Before the JARL would ratify the protocol, there had to be two manufacturers. Kenwood is the other manufacturer (okay, in reality they resale the Icom radio, but legally there are two manufacturers) Kenwood's

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Alternative D-STAR Equipment

2010-03-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
It’s easier3 to program a radio for D-STAR than it is a standard FM repeater with tone. D-STAR – Set frequency, set mode, set offset, kerchunk and hit one-touch1 FM – Set frequency, set mode, set offset, set tone2, turn tone on Ed WA4YIH 1 In the interest of full disclosure. If you kerchunk