Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-09-05 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 6:04 PM Alan Zack wrote:

> incorrectly changed my log to show VK5DOC in zone 29 when the IMPORT
> alert showed it to be Zone 29. Now, to this day, even with several CTY
> file updates (via the HELP>CHECK FOR UPDATE) when I type VK5DOC into
> the call window (pretending a new log entry) it still shows Zone 29. I
> don't know why when I have the latest CTY file it still logs as Zone
> 29.

Exit DX4WIN, then delete this file from your SAVE directory:

usrexcpt.dat

Now after you start DX4WIN, the zone should be correct.

This is a file used to hold user-defined exceptions.  You created one
by logging the VK5 as Zone 29.

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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-09-05 Thread Alan Zack
When I uploaded my log to ARRL LOTW and then did the download from
LOTW to DX4WIN the down loaded report showed VK5DOC was zone 29. The
root cause of this problem is that VK5DOC supplied the wrong zone info
when he opened his LOTW account. He does not show his zone on his
QRZ.COM page. 

So then when I downloaded my 2021 log entries to the DX Marathon
worksheet it chose VK5DOC for my Zone 29 entry. I could have used
VK6EI, VK6XI, or VK6LW for my 2021 Zone 29 entry had I known better
This has taught me that after I download my LOTW report to DX4WIN and
search for IMPORT for errors in the notes for this call widow to
DOUBLE CHECK when a discrepancy is shown. I believe I may have
incorrectly changed my log to show VK5DOC in zone 29 when the IMPORT
alert showed it to be Zone 29. Now, to this day, even with several CTY
file updates (via the HELP>CHECK FOR UPDATE) when I type VK5DOC into
the call window (pretending a new log entry) it still shows Zone 29. I
don't know why when I have the latest CTY file it still logs as Zone
29.

We are at the mercy of what people use for their zones, grids, IOTA
number, etc, when they set up their LOTW account. I was not aware of
what VK calls fall into what zones so assumed the zone for VK5DOC
downloaded from LOTW was correct. It was not. 


Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John K9EL
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 05:46 AM
To: 'DX4WIN Reflector' 
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

I work very hard to make sure the DX Marathon is scored properly.
VK5 has
always been in Zone 30.  I am a representative of CQ as well, so my
scoring database is very accurate.


73, John K9EL
DX Marathon Manager

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
On Behalf Of Alan Zack
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:55 PM
To: DX4WIN Group 
Subject: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the
latest country list in my DX4WIN program. I just received my 2021 DX
Marathon UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for
Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I
logged him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is
confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30.
 
When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a
wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
"I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have
been doing this contest since 2008".
 
John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021.
In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one
VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
 
It is a mystery to me.
 
73 Alan K7ACZ
 
 
Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ

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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-14 Thread Ernie Walls
As an  Aussie ham, I was taught VK3FM/6, for instance, was the way to go if I, 
as a VK3, was operating portable from WA, VK6. The cynic in me cannot help but 
comment that there were definable standards in those days…not so much now…sadly.

Ernie Walls VK3FM
vk...@wallsy.com.au
Mobile 0418 301 483

> On 15 Jun 2022, at 07:01, Jim Reisert AD1C  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:38 PM Rick Murphy K1MU wrote:
> 
>> So, a possibly stupid question, but I have to ask.
> 
> Not stupid.
> 
>> VK1XXX goes for a portable operation in Perth., What callsign do they use?
>> In other words, why does VK5 always mean CQ Zone 30? Does VK1XXX use VK5XXX
>> if they're in Southern Australia? (Sort of how UK hams change prefix from G
>> to GI to GJ to GU, etc.
>> Logbook of the World is pretty good about rejecting bad zone numbers, so
>> I'm surprised this one was missed.
> 
> That's a good question.  I looked through my database.  I didn't find
> any callsigns that signed simply "/P" from the "other" zone, for
> example, VK2XYZ/P in Perth (VK6).  The Australians are pretty good
> about signing /# (like VK2XYZ/6) unlike hams in Spain and Russia (and
> the USA for that matter) where there is no such requirement.
> 
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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-14 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:38 PM Rick Murphy K1MU wrote:

> So, a possibly stupid question, but I have to ask.

Not stupid.

> VK1XXX goes for a portable operation in Perth., What callsign do they use?
> In other words, why does VK5 always mean CQ Zone 30? Does VK1XXX use VK5XXX
> if they're in Southern Australia? (Sort of how UK hams change prefix from G
> to GI to GJ to GU, etc.
> Logbook of the World is pretty good about rejecting bad zone numbers, so
> I'm surprised this one was missed.

That's a good question.  I looked through my database.  I didn't find
any callsigns that signed simply "/P" from the "other" zone, for
example, VK2XYZ/P in Perth (VK6).  The Australians are pretty good
about signing /# (like VK2XYZ/6) unlike hams in Spain and Russia (and
the USA for that matter) where there is no such requirement.

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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-13 Thread Rick Murphy
So, a possibly stupid question, but I have to ask.

VK1XXX goes for a portable operation in Perth., What callsign do they use?
In other words, why does VK5 always mean CQ Zone 30? Does VK1XXX use VK5XXX
if they're in Southern Australia? (Sort of how UK hams change prefix from G
to GI to GJ to GU, etc.
Logbook of the World is pretty good about rejecting bad zone numbers, so
I'm surprised this one was missed.
73,
-Rick

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:00 PM Dan Violette  wrote:

> Alan,
>
> Of course, you can look on the LoTW website for this QSO and see what
> VK5DOC
> has entered on his certificate.  I also suspect you accepted your logged
> zone and did not correct with LoTW.
>
> Dan KI6X
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Alan Zack
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:28 PM
> To: 'WA7AA' ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
>
> Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember now but
> am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from and entering
> it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it to Z29 to match
> his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the search for IMPORT to
> find
> differences between what I had logged and what LOTW had in its records.
> Usually the only differences are in GRID numbers. Anyway, mystery solved,
> not a problem with my country file.
> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
> 73
>
> Alan Zack
> Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 06:54 PM
> To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
>
> On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote:
> > How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the
> > latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon
>
> > UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The
> > VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged
> > him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is
> > confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30.
> >
> > When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a
> > wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
> > I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
> > I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have
> > been doing this contest since 2008.
> >
> > John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
> > Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on
> 07/03/2021.
> > In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only
> one
> > VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
> >
>
> Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has him as
> 29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database by
> overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he wouldn't
> be
> the first one. The other possibility is that he incorrectly set up his TQSL
> station information with a wrong zone and you overrode the default zone in
> the log by accepting the LOTW value.
> LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification
> exists.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> WA7AA
>
>
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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-13 Thread Dan Violette
Alan,

Of course, you can look on the LoTW website for this QSO and see what VK5DOC
has entered on his certificate.  I also suspect you accepted your logged
zone and did not correct with LoTW.

Dan KI6X

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Alan Zack
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:28 PM
To: 'WA7AA' ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember now but
am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from and entering
it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it to Z29 to match
his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the search for IMPORT to find
differences between what I had logged and what LOTW had in its records.
Usually the only differences are in GRID numbers. Anyway, mystery solved,
not a problem with my country file.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
73 

Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 06:54 PM
To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote:
> How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the 
> latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon

> UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The 
> VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged 
> him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is 
> confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30.
>   
> When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a 
> wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
> I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
> I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have 
> been doing this contest since 2008.
>   
> John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
> Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on
07/03/2021.
> In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only
one 
> VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
>   

Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has him as
29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database by
overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he wouldn't be
the first one. The other possibility is that he incorrectly set up his TQSL
station information with a wrong zone and you overrode the default zone in
the log by accepting the LOTW value.
LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification
exists.

Hope this helps.

WA7AA


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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-13 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:28 PM Alan Zack K7ACZ wrote:

> Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember
> now but am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from
> and entering it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it
> to Z29 to match his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the
> search for IMPORT to find differences between what I had logged and
> what LOTW had in its records.

This is why I always search the "Notes for this QSO" field for the
word IMPORT after doing any import, especially "Confirm LoTW using
ADIF file".  That VK5 QSO would have been flagged as having a
mismatch.  As many have pointed out, VK5 is CQ Zone 30.  Only VK6 and
VK8 are CQ Zone 29.  Once all import exceptions have been resolved,
there is a Multiple QSO Operation to delete the remaining import
notes.

The ADIF to Marathon conversion program I wrote:

https://ad1c.us/software/marathon/

does not do any parsing or interpretation of the ADIF data (i.e.
callsigns), nor does it do any checking.  As someone else wrote in an
earlier reply, Garbage In, Garbage Out.

I'm sorry you lost a zone in the competition.

There are a couple of things to keep in mind:

1.  DX4WIN does not store the country prefix or CQ Zone with the QSO.
This is determined by the country file each time you load your log
into DX4WIN.

2. One thing that was new about DX4WIN 9.0x compared to earlier
versions is that it now keeps a local file of callsign/zone exceptions
that only apply to your log.  These have priority of the country file.
When a zone is changed, for example, during the LoTW import of that
VK5 QSO, that zone is stored in the local file.  I never need these,
and occasionally will delete the file, which can be found in your SAVE
directory (along with its backup):

 3/05/2022  20:39 849  usrexcpt.dat
 1/27/2022  10:35 811  usrexcpt.~at

The problem with this local file is that once a zone is (incorrectly)
changed, all future QSOs logged with this station will show the same
incorrect zone.  Also there, is no way to examine this file to see
what's in there, or why.  I could try to figure it out, but I have
never had the need.

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-13 Thread John K9EL
I work very hard to make sure the DX Marathon is scored properly.   VK5 has
always been in Zone 30.  I am a representative of CQ as well, so my scoring
database is very accurate.


73, John K9EL
DX Marathon Manager

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Alan Zack
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:55 PM
To: DX4WIN Group 
Subject: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the latest
country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon UBN results
back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com page
does not show what zone he is in. When I logged him in my DX4WIN log it was
entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in
Z29, not Z30.
 
When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a wrong
entry for Z29 here was his reply:
I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have been
doing this contest since 2008.
 
John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021.
In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one VK5,
the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
 
It is a mystery to me.
 
73 Alan K7ACZ
 
 
Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread Alan Zack
Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember
now but am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from
and entering it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it
to Z29 to match his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the
search for IMPORT to find differences between what I had logged and
what LOTW had in its records. Usually the only differences are in GRID
numbers. Anyway, mystery solved, not a problem with my country file.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
73 

Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ

-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 06:54 PM
To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote:
> How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the 
> latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon

> UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The 
> VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged 
> him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is 
> confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30.
>   
> When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a 
> wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
> I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
> I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have 
> been doing this contest since 2008.
>   
> John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
> Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on
07/03/2021.
> In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only
one 
> VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
>   

Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has
him as 29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database
by overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he
wouldn't be the first one. The other possibility is that he
incorrectly set up his TQSL station information with a wrong zone and
you overrode the default zone in the log by accepting the LOTW value.
LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification
exists.

Hope this helps.

WA7AA


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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread Ernie Walls
What surprises me is that otherwise mature DXers seem nonplussed by a very 
basic issue…VK5 was, is, and will be in zone 30.

End.

Ernie Walls VK3FM
vk...@wallsy.com.au
Mobile 0418 301 483

> On 13 Jun 2022, at 13:33, WA7AA  wrote:
> 
> 
>> LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification 
>> exists.
> 
> After further observation, a correction is due. LOTW used to be GIGO, but it 
> appears that they've made significant improvements in the TQSL station 
> location setup.
> 
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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread WA7AA



LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification 
exists.


After further observation, a correction is due. LOTW used to be GIGO, 
but it appears that they've made significant improvements in the TQSL 
station location setup.


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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread WA7AA

On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote:

How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the
latest country list in my DX4WIN
I just received my 2021 DX Marathon UBN results back and I got dinged
for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show
what zone he is in. When I logged him in my DX4WIN log it was entered
as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29,
not Z30.
  
When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a

wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have
been doing this contest since 2008.
  
John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show

Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021.
In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one
VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
  


Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has him 
as 29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database by 
overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he 
wouldn't be the first one. The other possibility is that he incorrectly 
set up his TQSL station information with a wrong zone and you overrode 
the default zone in the log by accepting the LOTW value. LOTW works on 
the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification exists.


Hope this helps.

WA7AA

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Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread Tom Doligalski via DX4WIN
DX4WIN gets the zone data from the CTY.DAT file, maintained by AD1C. 

When I put VK5DOC into my dx4win I get zone 30...

Tom W4KX

> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  boun...@mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Alan Zack
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 10:55 PM
> To: DX4WIN Group 
> Subject: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
> 
> How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the latest
> country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon UBN results
> back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com
> page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged him in my DX4WIN log
> it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is confirmed with LoTW. It shows
him
> in Z29, not Z30.
> 
> When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a wrong
> entry for Z29 here was his reply:
> I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
> I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have been
> doing this contest since 2008.
> 
> John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
> Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021.
> In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one VK5,
> the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
> 
> It is a mystery to me.
> 
> 73 Alan K7ACZ
> 
> 
> Alan Zack
> Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
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[Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones

2022-06-12 Thread Alan Zack
How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the
latest country list in my DX4WIN
I just received my 2021 DX Marathon UBN results back and I got dinged
for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show
what zone he is in. When I logged him in my DX4WIN log it was entered
as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29,
not Z30.
 
When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a
wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply:
I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30.
I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29.  I have
been doing this contest since 2008.
 
John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show
Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021.
In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one
VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29.
 
It is a mystery to me.
 
73 Alan K7ACZ
 
 
Alan Zack
Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
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