Hey people,
Why not digital certificates. They are cheaper I think and work
really well. For those who want maximum security, you can always
have your certficicate store on a smart card.
Claude, IMHO, using a cryptocard is even more secure, considerably
more secure, than using a cert
I think you guys have lost track of the whole purpose of the
Turing number. It is to prevent automated trials by ensuring that
a human being is there. What you are proposing amounts to an
additional or longer passphrase and in no way excludes automated
trials any more than
only a billion, have a look at over 2 Trillion disappearing
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,325985-412,00.shtml
cya,Andrew...
PS: everyone should note that andrewm AT engineer.com is now replaced by
andrewm AT opendesign.cx
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From: James M. Ray
Hello all :)
- I've been an avid reader of the E-Gold list for a long time,
and I have a question about online privacy for the brains.
The question also relates to the E-Gold service as well ;)
Over the last few weeks, I've submitted a few open
freelance type projects for programmers, to
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I have been consulting for years writing software. I have had the
opportunity in the past to write software for the RSA SecureID
product. I have looked at the cryptocard and it has some better
features compared to the RSA product. Unfortunately, neither
will protect you from being
WooHoo! Rally on!
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Danny! I hate to tell you but your scheme is wrong!
Note that WITH JAY'S TURING NUMBER SYSTEM, YOU CAN ONLY TRY ONE
PASSWORD PER JAY-TURING-IMAGE.
Jay has completely defeated automatic attacks, and any such extra
scheme as you propose, is, in fact, unnecessary!
Hi,
Sorry, but I don't
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The crypto-card is spoof-proof. ... On log-in, the website will present a
number.
This number must be keyed into your crypto-card to receive another number
which then must be keyed into the website. The crypto-card is the only
thing
which knows the correct
You are correct that will work, unless IMHO, the spoof site acts as a
proxy between the user with the crytpo card and the real site to be
hacked. This problem might be overcome for the short term by displaying
the number entered into the crypto card graphically like e-gold does
with the turing
That¹s not the case in a system where the SecureID is used in conjunction
with a user/pass which is how it is supposed to be used.
The numbers generated by the SID are time sensitive (and you cannot login
twice in a row with the same number even if you are still inside the
timeframe), so assuming
Choosing different
algorithms does not necesarily make it more safe. As long as the main
passphrases
are different it will be ok.
That's the problem -- I think most people use the same passcode. A
strong design should make silly stuff like that hard to do by default.
I think it is
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Don wrote:
Remember www.e-qold.com? ( Danger Will Robinson!!! Dont use
this site, its a spoof, thats a Q not a G in the url )
that damn site is still up! And it has 128 bit SSL connection and
stuff! Only url will give away that you are not in
Yes - Digital Certificates can be Spoofed.
CCard can't be defeated this way.
The hack site would have to have the correct challenge for the CCard to
issue the correct password -- when you log in with CCard you are challenged
by the system servers, and an incorrect challenge for the individual
Remember www.e-qold.com? ( Danger Will Robinson!!! Dont use
this site, its a spoof, thats a Q not a G in the url )
that damn site is still up! And it has 128 bit SSL connection and
stuff! Only url will give away that you are not in the e-gold site.
I thought that e-gold managed to
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I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
No, E-Gold got the site REDIRECTED to the REAL site.
are you sure? The url speaks other language! The login page url is:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100, PowerClicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the case you mention, where a bogus site is setup to pickup all 3, the
hacking scripts got to be very quick in order to login before the generated
code expires, but I admit that can be done.
But I would certainly not
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The 2 hurdle concept and its equivalence to a longer passphrase have
been discussed at length on this list before.
But the ideas being bantered about recently are not equivalent to a longer
passphrase. The idea is to issue a personalized challenge, to which the user
would have to respond. How
H content and traffic the vicious cycle!
you'd have to send out your own robot for that like
http://www.sharelynx.net/Markets/Master.htm
But they would be free listings for a time.
I don't intend to make listings free. Come on! Don't tell me people can't
afford to spend $3.30 in a
that damn site is still up! And it has 128 bit SSL connection and
stuff! Only url will give away that you are not in the e-gold site.
I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click
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To everyone on this beautiful list.
I have a question ... some of my clients would like to know before
they do any further business with me - if i know who the OWNERS and
auditing companys are for each Digital Gold Currency company. ?
I have
I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click submit it returns you to the the real e-gold
site
I don't understand?
He's trying to steal passwords. Whatever it was that you
On these companies :
OSGOLD . Owners Onegroup International (according to a WHOIS) they
also own a investing site OSOPPS.com
EVOCASH
ZETX
Can someone on this intelligent list enlight me ;) its hard to find
some of the info out there...seems like some businesses ( read gold
companies) do
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On 4 Feb 2002, at 17:39, SnowDog wrote:
The 2 hurdle concept and its equivalence to a longer passphrase have
been discussed at length on this list before.
But the ideas being bantered about recently are not equivalent to a
longer passphrase. The idea is to issue a personalized challenge,
Craig's summary is perfect, it can't be improved on! Nothing more
need be said!
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This turing image does not defeat the automatic attack. All I need is a screen
capture of the turing image combined with some OCR software, quite simple.
But Danny, it's not quite simple at all!
You're simply wrong! I'm sorry!
I'll give you $100 right now
Silly stuff Danny!
Well, I am not going to work a whole day for $100, but I did work one of your
turing images through my
Corel-OCR-TRACE 7 software , a 5 year old ,out of date, ocr program.
Before doing that I manually removed the thin vertical and horizontal lines,
something which is not
What you are suggesting may be a good idea. It just does not serve
the same purpose that the turning number was aimed at.
That's basically the big advantage of the 2 hurdle concept
The 2 hurdle concept and its equivalence to a longer passphrase have
been discussed at length on this list
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At 3:16 AM +0530 2/5/02, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
In my system the account is automatically locked whenever a
succesful attempt is
done on the first passphrase, but it fails on the second one. And it
is this what
makes this system so much better.
But Danny!
e-gold (and any secure system)
e-qold
went to the wonderful site gave them a phoney account # and a long string of
discussion of their ancestry and habits as a password. such fun.
john
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e-qold
went to the wonderful site gave them a phoney account # and a
long string of
discussion of their ancestry and habits as a password. such fun.
I just did some investigating of my own and discovered that this E-QOLD.com
site is actually:
http://joan.xo-office.com/default1.htm
Anyone
More digging:
e-Qold.com is at:
http://joan.xo-office.com/default1.htm
...which would ultimately be www.xo-office.com... that delivers errors...
http://www.xo-office.com belongs to:
Organization:
Paretta, Inc.
Brian Geoghegan
1201 3rd Ave., Suite 4800
Seattle, WA 98101
Jim, you have any fun bonds on?
Do you think they are lying or did hands per day just double for a few days?
JP!
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I thought that e-gold managed to shut this guy down...
I just tried it and put in some er... well lets just say they weren't
passwords and once you click submit it returns you to the the
real e-gold
site
I don't understand?
He's trying to steal passwords. Whatever it was that
Can somebody point me to JUST ONE of these hyips that DOES advertise
itself as an investment? ie, a bad old days hyip that is the
scourge of the earth, should have its funds confiscated,
Who can point to one? Thanks in advance!
OsOpps.com at www.osopps.com.
If we guarantee it, you are
Dear Bob,
Your message about the Yuan is very interesting.
As I recall, it is difficult to ex-patriate Yuan
from China. I currently do business with a
company that buys submersible pumps made in China,
so there may be a way.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Andrew,
Two Trillion? Two point three trillion is more than the
entire USA federal gummint budget for a year!
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,325985-412,00.shtml
Wow.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear JP,
Google shows 152 hits for
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=HYIP+e-gold+invest
which you may enjoy visiting for your next phase of
investigative e-journalism.
Regards,
Jim
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