[e-gold-list] note on trust and DGC Trade Associations

2002-05-15 Thread jeff fitzmyers
Jakob Nielsen, in the report E-commerce User Experience, asserts 'seal of approval' logos like TrustE and BBB did not interest any of the test subjects. DGC's might be an exception, but it could be a nice challenge to convey valuable info in the 'seal of approval'. Maybe the number of

[e-gold-list] HUF correspondent account added

2002-05-15 Thread Fidex Marketing
We are pleased to announce that Fidex has added HUF (Hungarian Forint) to its list of supported currencies, through our relationship with Hansabank. The correspondent account is held at OTP BANK, Budapest and can receive local domestic deposits and online transfers. OTP has Hungary's largest

[e-gold-list] Re: fraud alert

2002-05-15 Thread SnowDog
Always call all new customers first, before completing any order. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web

[e-gold-list] The Surprising Popularity of Paper Currency

2002-05-15 Thread James M. Ray
I'm not a big reader of IMF publications, but this article is interesting. JMR http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2002/03/rogoff.htm The Surprising Popularity of Paper Currency A quarterly magazine of the IMF March 2002, Volume 39, Number 1 The Surprising Popularity of Paper Currency

[e-gold-list] New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread hankroark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just saw this site: http://www.enstage.com/ It sounds to me like they generate a one use credit card type number for you to use online that maps to a bank account, but I'm not positive. HR Hush provide the worlds most secure, easy to use online

[e-gold-list] Re: New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread major bosco
Pretty Funny! This is pulled from their website: quote: Without storing the sensitive financial data of your customers who use Accosa, and allowing financial institutions to authenticate the buyer prior to transactions, your number of charge backs will decrease markedly. VISA claims that

[e-gold-list] Re: New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread Greg Broiles
At 03:42 PM 5/15/2002 +, major bosco wrote: Even when the Card issuing Bank AUTHENTICATES the user -- the Chargeback rate is only reduced by 50% !! Just goes to show how weak/ soft Credit Cards are. Why is this surprising? Chargebacks aren't only used in cases where the buyer's card has

[e-gold-list] Re: New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
At 07:45 2002-05-15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds to me like they generate a one use credit card type number for you to use online that maps to a bank account, but I'm not positive. That's what it looks like. My first reaction: How long will it take before they run out of available

[e-gold-list] Scam alert

2002-05-15 Thread Gaithman
Ladies and Gents, And yet, the old Nigerian scam comes back AGAIN with another twist! Be careful whose sappy story you buy! Eric (see below) (snip) STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL FROM: KALISARA SESE-SEKO 13t presidential avenue Ndoli,Kinshasa, D.R.C. Compliment of the season, I hope this

[e-gold-list] Nigeria 419

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Eric, Be careful whose sappy story you buy! Why are you forwarding this nonsense? The 419 scam is all of a piece. As with forwarding hoax virus warnings, you aren't doing anyone any favors, I think. Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list

[e-gold-list] Re: Nigeria 419

2002-05-15 Thread James M. Ray
On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 03:10 PM, Jim Davidson wrote: Dear Eric, Be careful whose sappy story you buy! Why are you forwarding this nonsense? The 419 scam is all of a piece. Salon's non-premium (and so non-boycotted-by-Jim!) section

[e-gold-list] Re: Nigeria 419

2002-05-15 Thread uberhacker
Dear Eric, Be careful whose sappy story you buy! Why are you forwarding this nonsense? The 419 scam is all of a piece. As with forwarding hoax virus warnings, you aren't doing anyone any favors, I think. Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ I agree that I tire of seeing

[e-gold-list] Re: note on trust and DGC Trade Associations

2002-05-15 Thread uberhacker
Jakob Nielsen, in the report E-commerce User Experience, asserts 'seal of approval' logos like TrustE and BBB did not interest any of the test subjects. DGC's might be an exception, but it could be a nice challenge to convey valuable info in the 'seal of approval'. Maybe the number of

[e-gold-list] Re: note on trust and DGC Trade Associations

2002-05-15 Thread jpm
I know I don't care about seals of approval. I also must say that when I see a seal of approval, I don't always know what it means. Any logo with a green tick (or check mark, whatever it's called) in it looks good to me. It means shit, but it looks nice. That's a bad-ass attitude towards seals

[e-gold-list] Re: Trojan Virus?

2002-05-15 Thread uberhacker
This topic may have been brought up before, but I'm new to the digital currency scheme of things. I'm been using e-gold for just a short time and it seems my account has been cleaned out by a spend made to an Anneli gold without my doing so. There were no invalid logon attempts, so it

[e-gold-list] Re: New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hush provide the worlds most secure, easy to use online applications - which solution is right for you? Thanks for the Hushmail info. I particularly liked the High Level Technical Description at http://www.hushmail.com/about_hushmail/how_it_works/tech_description.shtml

[e-gold-list] Re: Nigeria 419

2002-05-15 Thread Mark Jeftovic
I agree that I tire of seeing reposts of crap like the Nigerian scam, but the sad reality is that people must still be falling for it. I was over at Google Answers the other day and saw what I thought was an interesting question posed by a guy, who wanted to know what legal and taxation

[e-gold-list] Re: New payment server, possibly useful for exchange providers

2002-05-15 Thread uberhacker
At 07:45 2002-05-15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds to me like they generate a one use credit card type number for you to use online that maps to a bank account, but I'm not positive. That's what it looks like. My first reaction: How long will it take before they run out of

[e-gold-list] Anonymous Debit Card funded with e-gold

2002-05-15 Thread Jeffrey Knapton
Hello, Allied Digital Currency would like to announce the availability of our anonymous debit card. This first card can only be delivered within the U.S. but we will have a global card very soon. For details go to www.allieddigitalcurrency.com Sincerely, Jeffrey Knapton President CEO Allied

[e-gold-list] USA Today article

2002-05-15 Thread Kurtis Bangen
That USA Today article by Matt Krantz, Gold rush could signal trouble, was not that bad; except for part where he wrote: ... if gold continues to soar, companies can tap new mines and flood gold onto the market, which could bring prices back down. If Mr. Krantz would have spent more time

[e-gold-list] exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
Does anybody else think it's odd that in PGP you can export your private key to a text file WITHOUT having to supply the password for that key? That means that anybody who can log into my computer can also get a copy of my private key. It's not that I have a wide-open Windows password or

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Ragnar
Pat, --- Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody else think it's odd that in PGP you can export your private key to a text file WITHOUT having to supply the password for that key? That means that anybody who can log into my computer can also get a copy of my private key.

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Steven T. Cramer
And if they do get your private key, what will they be able to do with it? Without also having your password, it's useless, no? No it is not useless. They can use it to unencrypted and message encrypted with his public key. The could load that key on there PGP or many a other application

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
From: Steven T. Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] And if they do get your private key, what will they be able to do with it? Without also having your password, it's useless, no? No it is not useless. They can use it to unencrypted and message encrypted with his public key. The could load that

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Luc Van den Borre
From: Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Steven T. Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] And if they do get your private key, what will they be able to do with it? Without also having your password, it's useless, no? No it is not useless. They can use it to unencrypted and message

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: exporting private keyswithout password

2002-05-15 Thread Sidd
Sorry, your message was not sent out to 'e-gold-list'. Your message quotes too many continuous lines of a previous message. BAH!! Steven, Patrick and Mike, Gents, you are all mistaken. The private key is USELESS without the PGP password. Even if I get you PGP private key, I need your

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread James M. Ray
Folks, the short answer is that IDEA (when last I checked) protects the key (assuming you've picked a decent passphrase) but I suggest moving the conversation (and clicking some metal) to where it's best, and that's http://www.cryptorights.org (they take e-gold). There's a reason Feds put a

[e-gold-list] keys, passwords

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Davidson
Sidd: Even if I get you PGP private key, I need your PGP password to decrypt the key! Yet, with the ability to suck the private key off a user's hard drive, which has been assumed here, but has not been demonstrated, a simple keystroke log should get the PGP password, one would think. I

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: exporting private keyswithout password

2002-05-15 Thread Steven T. Cramer
Steven, Patrick and Mike, Gents, you are all mistaken. The private key is USELESS without the PGP password. Even if I get you PGP private key, I need your PGP password to decrypt the key! Thanks Sidd for clearing that up for us. To many assumptions causes very bad communication.

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Ragnar
Pat, --- Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip True: the exported private key is just plain-old-text and completely usable. snip The only problem with that theory is this: what is the point of ever encrypting a file on your own computer? If someone can log into the computer,

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: Nigeria 419

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Eric, No, really, there is always new knowledge to be gained. It just isn't gained by seeing the same dozen variants on 419 scams posted on different lists, as well as in my various inboxes. What you seemed to identify as a novelty is just a variant on the old Spanish Prisoner fraud that

[e-gold-list] the barter origins of money

2002-05-15 Thread Keith Hart
By now everyone knows where money came from. Our remote ancestors started swapping things they had too much of and others wanted. This barter ran into a bottleneck. It wasn't always easy to find someone who both wanted want you had and had what you wanted. For many natural products, the timing of

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Jay W.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- data on the most recent attack i know of against private key file is contained here: http://www.i.cz/en/onas/tisk4.html tech paper: http://www.i.cz/en/pdf/openPGP_attack_ENGvktr.pdf (note that it is not specific to any particular specific PGP implementation.)

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: exporting private keys withoutpassword

2002-05-15 Thread jpm
Sorry, your message was not sent out to 'e-gold-list'. Your message quotes too many continuous lines of a previous message. BAH!! lol! -- --- If it can't scale fast and big you got nuthin'

[e-gold-list] Re: keys, passwords

2002-05-15 Thread jpm
You're all so spectacularly confused about how PGP works, and what the terms are, DONT DISCUSS IT! :) -- --- If it can't scale fast and big you got nuthin'

[e-gold-list] Re: the barter origins of money

2002-05-15 Thread jpm
Mrs. Thatcher's I thoroughly, thoroughly recommend Lady Thatcher's latest book, _Statecraft_. PJ -- --- If it can't scale fast and big you got nuthin'

[e-gold-list] Re: keys, passwords

2002-05-15 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're all so spectacularly confused about how PGP works, and what the terms are, DONT DISCUSS IT! :) JP! I don't think there's much confusion, only resolution. I think Sidd has hit the nail on the head. The exported private key block has the password

[e-gold-list] Re: exporting private keys without password

2002-05-15 Thread Sidd
http://www.i.cz/en/pdf/openPGP_attack_ENGvktr.pdf (note that it is not specific to any particular specific PGP implementation.) additional commentary here: Hey Jay, this is fixed in GPG 1.0.7 http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2002q2/000251.html Best, Sidd