to evaluate the currencies for their own needs, not to create
controversy.
Thanks,
Ken Griffith
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to evaluate the currencies for their own needs, not to create
controversy.
Thanks,
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"This is not correct. e-gold Ltd. holds 0 stock in either DigiGold or SR,
just as they (still) own 0 bank accounts, and make 0 loans. They just store
the gold, period."
I stand corrected. Thank you James. But is it not true that GSR owns
stock in DigiGold?
Ken Griffith
The government of Red China has just made it legal for its citizens to own
gold, and is ENCOURAGING them. China is also encouraging smart cards.
Strangely, China has been so eager to bring in foreign investment that it
has not put into place the draconian money laundering laws common in the
What are your sources for this information?
I got it from a newspaper that was faxed to me:
The China Daily, Tuesday May 29, Page 6
You can probably find it online.
Ken
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The external keyboard sniffer is a physical device that snaps into the
keyboard connection and has an internal battery.
It records all throughput that comes from the keyboard and goes into the
keyboard port on the computer. So it is completely outside of the computer
and its processes for all
Gold Money now allows security certificates that are installed in the users
browser to authenticate transactions.
My question is: how easy is it for someone who can gain access to the users
computer (either physically or through a trojan) to COPY a security
certificate and install it on another
Does anyone have the URL of the company that is marketing the privacy
invading trojan to law enforcement agencies?
Thanks,
Ken Griffith
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Does anyone have any experience with commercially available smart cards for
storing private keys or certificates? What are the options?
Ken
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I wouldn't say always.
Slavery might be more productive than freedom for unmotivated individuals
who gravitate to the bottom of society anyway.
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Tungsten isn't exactly cheap or common either is it?
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some clever person on this list explained the process
My ATM card isn't working either, but I've only tested it at one machine in
Virginia.
Ken
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Hope this helps,
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If you have been ripped off by the goldmine account, please e-mail me at
this address. If the people who have been hit compare notes, it should be
possible to find a pattern and maybe even catch the bastard.
Ken Griffith
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storage device.)
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If your private key is stored in a secure device such as the U are U
biometric reader, or a smart card, or a floppy, then it doesn't matter if
the hacker gets your passphrase. He STILL doesn't have your private key.
Ken Griffith
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Given the fact that digigold is only 25% backed by e-gold, the total value
of all notes in circulation could be as much as $249,384.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject:
Maybe people with psychic powers have the same odds as Wall Street analysts.
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| Like I said, you
Actually, the reason PayPal is able to charge slightly less than Visa is
that they have persuaded most of their customer base to let them use the ACH
system to debit and credit money directly from the customer's bank account.
This is significantly cheaper than using credit cards.
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Accrediting boards have traditionally been used in academia instead of
licensing, and it seems to work as well as or better than licensing. The
accrediting board is not controlled by the government, but builds its own
reputation on the strength of the schools that it accredits.
Since the eCTA
it, delete both the executable
and delete the run line from win.ini.
This sniffer is associated with several worms out there, including the
badtrans virus and others like it. It is probably a standard component of
the various virus toolkits available on the web.
Ken Griffith
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New scam
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Dear customer ,
We have just updated our site and we have some login
problems with the accounts.
To confirm that this is your account,
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start
getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial
statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is
possible now, isn't it.
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On the bright side, actually getting paid for spam is a nice concept.
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Yeah, it's a cool idea
Anybody who opened that attachment from David now has a trojan virus on
their system.
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'e-gold
I have had excellent experience with both Claude Cormier and Eric Gaither at
Gaithman's Gold Exchange.
Ken
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Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Funding
.
Another source of a hot list would be to buy lists of paying customers from
market makers. (Of course this would only be ethical if the market-maker
did this with the full knowledge and permission of his customers.)
Just my two cents worth.
Ken Griffith
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The Alyssa Virus and I Love You were annoying and expensive. But imagine a
virus that says, First Union Bank is on the Verge of Bankruptcy! Get your
money out while you still can. Complete with a fake news article and SEC
statement.
Now, that would be a virus with some interesting social
Actually, you got that backwards:
GoldMoney is incorporated in the Bahamas
Their operational corporate HQ is in the Isle of Man.
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I think, Sam, that you are on the right track there. Fractional reserve is
fine IF the institution tells the customer in the user agreement, If you
ask for your money at any time we MIGHT give it to you, or we MIGHT NOT.
Perhaps a better way of dealing with that problem is short-term rolling
The only one who is currently an ether gold is OSGold.
If they are not 100% backed, then I fully agree with you, but where is the
evidence. It seems to me that we just don't know what OSGold is since they
have not disclosed it. They might be 100% backed, they might be pure ether
(no backing
Is technocash an account based system or digital cash? Does anybody know
anyone who works at Technocash?
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Does anyone have the name and e-mail address for the operator of
metalsavings.com?
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By John's standards, Standard Reserve's Instant Anywhere debit card accounts
are reasonably priced, international, and backed by e-gold.
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Now there's a true gentleman. Thanks for the comment, Michael.
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Much as I feel for people who are victims
money from
digital gold, even though the market will eventually fill with competitors.
No sense in slowing down both growth and profit by trying to suppress the
competition.
Regards,
Ken Griffith
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about investing any money with them or licensing their product
after seeing Doug Jackson lose his shirt to them because of a contract
technicality.
Reality is stranger than LA Law.
Ken Griffith
www.goldeconomy.com
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In consideration
Suppose you put in an order for $1000 worth of gold on 5 grams margin, and
you want to actually take delivery - How do you take delivery of your
contract at Bamdex?
Ken
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A major part of helping the gold economy to continue to grow is to educate
new people about the advantages of using gold digital currencies.
I am in the process of writing a series of articles for The Gold Economy
aimed at doing this. The first one is located here:
Are there any market makers that accept Evocash? http://www.evocash.com/
I've had a couple of customer inquiries for marketmakes who take Evocash.
Thanks,
Ken
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If e-bullion denominates the accounts in dollars, what happens when the
price of gold goes up or down? If the dollar weakens, do you have less gold
in your account? It doesn't make sense to me.
Ken
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From the e-bullion FAQ, emphasis added:
[You will be assessed a one half (1/2) of 1% storage fee MONTHLY. This is
to offset the costs associated with supplying secure, safe and insured
storage facilities for the physical bullion. This fee is calculated upon
the weight of the metal in
Which market makers are taking credit card for e-gold purchases these days?
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solution is privatization of ownership of the rivers.
The highest taxed societies in the world have been hydraulic monopolies:
deserts with a big river running through like Egypt, Mesopotamia, ancient
Chile, etc. When you depend on the government for water, you are its
slave...
Ken Griffith
BS
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Ken Griffith wrote:
Actually, that whole water debate out there brings up a good libertarian
vs
statism debate.
end
The [UN] report recommends the creation of an International Tax
Organization (ITO)
(pages 27-28, 64-66). The ITO would sponsor a mechanism for
multilateral
sharing of tax information, like that already in place with OECD, so as
to
curb the scope for evasion of taxes on investment income
a relationship with a bank in that city, we might be able to put together a
very nice deal.
Thanks,
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Here's a novel thought:
E-gold is presently only available in English. Try adding Chinese, Russian,
Spanish, and Arabic version pages.
Ken
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GBC's all relate to e-gold.
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On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:55:59PM -0400, Viking Coder wrote:
The graphics that Khurram mentioned on Gaithman's site and the Gold Economy
site were originally created by Kamilla Dogorush, a lady from Belorussia who
works for Standard Reserve. It would be nice if more people could hire her
to design graphics for their sites, but SR has her full time now.
prediction is coming true. The price of
e-gold is now higher than the price of gold, and it isn't just exchange
fees. It holds its value at that price.
Any comments?
Ken Griffith
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themselves. I am sure they
will do this when it becomes an issue in the future.
Regards,
Ken Griffith
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Not all MLM's are ponzi schemes. Most are cheesy because they try to get you
to sell your friendships for money and tell you that their product/marketing
system will solve all the problems in your life. (Making MLM almost a
religion of sorts..) But the majority of them sell real products.
The
Anyone interested in reading the full story on how the government attacked
Franklin Sanders' gold bank can do so at the following URL:
http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=124mode=threadedorder=2
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[GoldMoney] are 100% non-US, have a great product, great corporate
governance and corporate structure and excellent international
partners. The only thing they are missing is the market which is
now owned by e-gold -:) Maybe this will change, maybe not. time
will tell.
I agree with you,
I have been informed by sources inside GoldMoney that none of the officers,
including James Turk, live or in any way operate any aspect of the business
from the United States.
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I just posted a new article called, Separation of Protocol which is of
interest to anyone using e-gold.
URL: http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=129mode=nestedorder=0
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Jay,
Here's an idea. If you rewrite the e-gold stats page using XML to define
your data, then in the future, any changes or additions you make won't throw
off the bots that are recording statistics from that page.
Ken
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Several of us are going to start an open exchange protocol group for the
purpose of defining a digital currency standard that will allow all the
companies to use it to be compatible with each other.
Anyone interested in participating should contact me for details.
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Since there are quite a few MLM companies and affiliate programs using
e-gold as their payment mechanism, it is quite possible that they make up a
significant portion of the microspends.
Just curious, Jay, but why aren't the progeny spends included in the
statistics?
Ken
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There is a simple way to handle the problem of the error in measuring a
bar's weight. The error is known (0.025 ounce per 400 oz bar). The total
error for e-gold's 140 bar pile is therefore +/- 3.5 oz. As long as e-gold
always purchases a new bar for the reserve before the metal in circulation
Ok, JP, so the bars vary in weight.
So to have the examiner show nice clean 400 oz increments, it means one of
several possible things:
1. They always buy bars that are 400 oz + and just truncate them to 400 for
the sake of simplicity in the examiner. So really, there's more gold there.
2.
would have interesting
consequences indeed...
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Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can
help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke
something on that day that
would start a crisis - like nuking NYC or invading Taiwan, for example.)
Regards,
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Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random
Here's a novel thought:
If you used PGP public key fingerprints as account numbers, it would be
almost impossible to spend to the wrong account accidentally. Reason
being - the account numbers would not be sequential. So if you were one
digit off the server would tell you no such account
by a particular Gold Gram
Holder. Therefore, I think they are a deposit currency, with better
governance perhaps, but still a deposit currency. They strongly disagree,
of course.)
Kind regards,
Ken Griffith
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If you're saying that's BS and it really is a note .. I guess that's fair
enough!
Yep, that's what I'm saying.
The question is what the legal definition of a title is versus a claim.
My understanding of title is that it requires that the thing owned be
distinctly identifiable as belonging to a
The only way that the claim made by JP could be true would be if the
following condition were met:
- Each account is a digital title to an identifiable, physical
piece (or pieces) of gold that can be identified individually in the vault
as belonging to that particular account owner.
Actually, JP, this seems like a small point of semantics to you. The reason
it is very significant is that the GoldMoney patents are dependent upon the
idea that they eliminate payment risk by making the holder the actual owner
of the gold in the vault.
If my thesis were to be proved right in
How much gold is in a gram of digital gold? And more importantly, do the
differences in the fineness of the various digital currencies affect the use
of the AUG (one gram of gold) as a standard unit of digital currency? See
what James Turk, Douglass Jackson, and Mike Singleton have to say in the
The count is DOWN to 143.
They just did that to prove that the bars are redeemable. :-)
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Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers
than many
will be seen
on thousands of web sites as part of the news feed.
In the meantime, we apologize for the mess, and look forward to providing a
number of new and exciting services to the gold economy at large in the near
future.
Kind Regards,
Ken Griffith
P.S. Lin, I will see if I can find those
What do you think should be the standard for the AUG?
1 gram of fine gold?
1 gram gross weight of . bullion?
1 gram gross weight of .9995 bullion?
1 gram gross weight of .995 bullion?
Vote on the goldeconomy.com home page: www.goldeconomy.com
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Great survey idea Ken!
But it seems inconceivable it could be anything other than a gram of
fine gold!!!
Well, JP, you know how the press is always using biased surveys to prove
their point.The only right answer is the one I want people to choose.
:-)
The other problem, of course, is
I guess as a list god, you Mr. Ray, can write anything
you want at any length?
As list god, and owner of a .50 cal, you're darn right he can.
Ken
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Did you know that
Elwyn Jenkins purchased about fifty gold-related domain names a year or two
ago. I suspect that dailygold.com expired and Dr. Jenkins failed to renew
it. This scam artist nay have purchased the domain name and set up the site
using his own e-mail address, and then changed the admin info back to
Hey Bob JP,
Is the gold chart making another pennant pattern?
Ken
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Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers
than many countries? See
Remember the article on the Russian gold ruble back in July where many
Russians were convinced the US would have a major crisis in August? At that
time I suggested that it was either rumor, or somebody somewhere was
planning to cause a major crisis and leaking rumors about it. It looks like
the
I did not accuse anyone, I was merely speculating the rumors in Russia
earlier this year may have been a leak of this plan by whatever terrorist
group did it. The fact that there were widespread rumors that the US would
have a crisis at the end of this Summer that came true is very interesting,
The US and other countries swearing to declare war on terrorism is
reminiscent of the war on drugs of the past two decades. In the name of
defending the populace against very real enemies, the centralized
governments of the world are already demanding new rights to invade their
citizen's privacy
wish to fund their DGC accounts, in exchange for a small percentage of the
completed transactions.
If you are an exchange agent who might be interested in this, please contact
me at this email address.
Kind regards,
Ken Griffith
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I need to know of any exchange agents who will exchange Standard Gold for US
Dollars and mail a check.
Thanks,
Ken Griffith
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Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help
E-gold is down one bar from 60,000 where it was a week ago. I figured the
events of late would cause a buying spree.
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Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the
Jim,
Do the mobile phone support secure socket layer (SSL)? Otherwise, how does
e-gold make it safe to make payments from a mobile phone?
Thanks,
Ken
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Did you know that
Does anyone have a graph of the e-gold reserve over the past year? VC? It
would be nice to take a look at it. I'm curious whether it is still on an
exponential curve, or if it ever was.
Ken Griffith
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to a
non-profit digital currency standards consortium.
Grams of Gold will probably not last because it is simply too many
syllables.
I personally propose, littlegoldnumbersthatmakepeoplehappy.
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This is a hoot. I'll put up ten grams of gold to the person who comes up
with the best name. In one of the sessions at the conference we'll take a
vote on which is the best and I'll pay 10.0 AUG, gg, or whatever, to the
winner. (This doesn't of course mean that anyone actually has to use it.)
or comment about a company if I
cannot find out who operates it. So I never wrote the article.
Other than that they have a nice web site and interface.
Ken Griffith
www.goldeconomy.com
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It looks like the HYIP's have a real potential to hurt the acceptance of
digital gold currencies. Everytime one of these scams gets busted that uses
a dgc it gives the whole industry a black eye.
By the way, is there technical difference between a Ponzi scheme, a pyramid
scheme and an HYIP? I
Considering that West Virginia provided 30,000 men to the Union Army, and
20,000 men to the Confederate Army and both sides blew each other's brains
out for five years, I don't think you can accurately call it a peaceful
secession.
Just a thought from a old Virginia boy.
ken
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James Dale Davidson wrote what can only be described as a prescient
prediction of the future of digital gold currencies back in 1997 in his
book, The Sovereign Individual. To find out what his predictions were and
how they have come true so far read the newest article on the The Gold
Economy
editor, Ken Griffith, and Matt Chancey, the new Editor of The
Gold Economy Magazine. Rumor has it that Simon Davis, the founder of Pecunix
will also be in attendance.
During our conference you will get a close up look at what is really
going on in the digital currency arena, what
Hi Jim, I think the trend in conversions to a new technology tends to follow
a cubic curve, where the initial acceptance is very slow (such as the first
four years of e-gold going from 0 accounts to roughly 8,000 accounts), then
it hits an exponential growth phase, and then tapers off to a
the conference due to lack of interest.
In case anyone missed the announcement, the info on the Conference is at:
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Kind regards,
Ken Griffith
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http://www.goldeconomy.com/article.php?sid=169
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Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s)
via the web and shopping cart
The owners of an undivided property own a title not a claim.
Claude, you may be correct. The courts will have to decide.
However, regardless of whether GoldGrams represent a title or merely a
claim, the patent suit against e-gold contradicts the patent itself.
The patent claims that
JP,
You've never heard of elephant bars?
Ken
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New article on the Gold Economy:
E-Bullion announces its Cryptocard
http://www.goldeconomy.com/article.php?sid=171
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Hey Bob,
Is gold doing another pennant formation?
Ken
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has promised to display his Boggs collection at the Gold Bug Ball!
Ken Griffith
The Gold Economy World Symposium
http://www.goldeconomy.com/conference/
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