[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not arguing backed vs. fiat, or base system denominations, but inter-currency transaction roll-backs. When a transaction is made across non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what amount should be refunded? I don't think it's so clear. How is this situation usually handled (fiat - fiat transactions)? Is the merchant/payee's currency used as the basis for refund, or the customer/payer's currency used? I might be mistaken, but I believe no refunds is the normal policy - at least with most cash exchanges. If I were to give 500 USD to a cash exchange provider in Amsterdam in exchange for Euros, I wouldn't expect to be able to go back later and get my USD back. I would have to make another exchange from Euros to USD. It seems the scenario closest to Graham's situation would be if I push my 500 USD across the counter and the person on the other side picks it up and at that point (before I've received the Euros) I say, wait I changed my mind! In that case I'm guessing the person would hand the money back, and say make up your mind. This suggests to me that Graham should have returned the currency given to him (e-gold) in the amount he received (which is measured in weight), less fees extracted by the e-gold system. OR he should have said, sorry, no refunds. OR he should do exactly what he said (on his website) he'd do. It does seem a bit unfair that a customer can cancel an order because the price of dollars in terms of gold went down. If I send you 100 aug and expect 1000 USD for example, it seems a bit cheap and smarmy to cancel the order and redo it because the price of 1000 dollars went down to only 90 aug. Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax
Wayne wrote Taxation is theft, by definition. Period. At 08:33 PM 10/14/03 +0300, FileMatrix wrote: I guess if there would be no US government (no tax = no administration) you would take a shotgun and shoot cubans if they would try to invade USA, right? ;) No, I don't give a rat's ass about arbitrary lines that gangs of hoodlums draw on maps. Just because the particular gang in question (the government known as the United States of America) claims to have a right to rule over me does not make me feel any affiliation with them. Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax
At 12:39 PM 10/15/03 +0300, FileMatrix wrote: I support a general tax because it makes things more homegenous, as in, everybody pay less, globally. But everybody does NOT pay less. The bottom line of solving human problems through coercion is more expensive and less effective solutions - if the problems are solved at all, and more problems caused on top of the ones that are being so poorly solved. Sure, the rich pay more than the poor. At this point I have to say I would gladly pay 5 - 10% of (say) my $10 millions a year income to see that the society in its whole is a little better. You don't have that choice. The problem with taxes is that they are coercive. And society in its whole is not better. Profit is not what drives my life! Either I pay, from my money, localy to support road building, or I pay to the center its the same thing - I still pay. It's not the same thing. One is coercive and one is not. You say you're not forced to pay localy. Yes you are! Otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to use those roads. That's not coercion, that's exchanging value for value. Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Income tax
At 12:36 PM 10/14/03 +0300, FileMatrix wrote: Dear Jim, Well I guess I fall under the anybody else who wants to answer category. :-) ... As [somebody] point out, the average american pays 50% taxes. Do you think that a system with no inflation and with a flat 5 - 10% income tax (for everybody, person or company) is also theft? Taxation is theft, by definition. Period. I have in mind that there is no other type of tax, like: VAT, property tax, welth tax... whatever. Obviously, I am thinking that the income tax is used for what the country needs (even if you would say you or anyone else don't know what the country needs). Does this kind of system seem fair to you (or anybody else who wants to answer)? No. Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: anybody can freeze your account by court order
At 02:03 PM 4/4/03 +0200, Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently my account was frozen by court order On Friday, March 21, 2003, Cash Cards was attempting to fund an E-Gold account for one of its customers, in the amount of $3,260.00, but Cash Cards inadvertently put these funds into your E-Gold account (No. 102468). However, since E-Gold has strict privacy rules and other restrictions, E-Gold would not reverse the transaction or freeze the account unless Cash Cards obtained an order from a court. So, that is what we did. Geez! Why didn't they just ask you for the money back before resorting to a court order? Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
