Dear Ecofem,
I felt extremely uneasy reading Nicole's note suggesting that these posts
are some sort of potential hoax. For me it was reminiscent of how many in
Idaho relate to the Christian Identity and Aryan Nations compounds
(churches) not far from here, I don't think that was the intention,
At Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:44:00 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/21/1999 9:29:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I deeply resent your insinuendo that I might be making this info
available to the members on this list to serve racist or fascist ends (BTW, I
live in
Well, Joe, I don't know how to handle these people except for what I've
learned from Anti-Racist Action (ARA) literature. Nothing our local
groups have done has worked. I sent them this note last night, in line
with ARA NO! in response to their 11th hour missive and this is what they
sent back.
Well, just joking, you understand, you could log his addy on to NAMBLA (North American
Man-Boy Love Association) as a "curious teen", or get 1000 friends to all email him
Netscape in attachments, or forward a copy of his missive to Louis Farrakhan (no, nix
that last one - believe it or not,
In a message dated 2/21/1999 11:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am glad the Club membership voted the idea down and continues to
advocate education and health care for women as a means of controling
population. I believe in the "root cause" agruement for
In a message dated 2/22/1999 12:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This could be true of the Kaczynski Luddite approach (now there's a scary
little book), but there are very few feminist racists that I've met (at least,
who are willing to admit to such a contradiction as
Wow, go Joe! and thanks. --E.
~~~
Elizabeth L. MacNabb, PhD
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Service Learning, Career Development Center
Richmond Hall, UR, Richmond, VA 23173
phone 804-289-8686, fax 804-287-6465
Court lets notification law stand
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court Monday left intact a Virginia law
requiring doctors to notify a young girl's parents before performing the
abortion she seeks. The justices, without comment, turned away arguments
that the law wrongly denies most mature girls
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:57:29 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/22/1999 12:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This could be true of the Kaczynski Luddite approach (now there's a scary
little book), but there are very few feminist racists that I've met (at least,
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would it surprise you to hear that, as a white male southern college
student, I helped ramrod the initial funding of the Black Student Union there
past a reluctant student senate? would it surprise you to
Someone mentioned the "root cause" theory - can you fill me in on what
that is?
I think one thing that gets left out of the population discussion far
too often is consumption. In some ways, overuse and abuse of natural
resources is more visible - eg the lack of available firewood in India
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would it surprise you to hear that I had a two year relationship with a
smart and proud black woman born not od either subservience or recrimination,
but of mutual care and respect?
Would you wave dating a
So you subscribe to the Eldridge Cleaver model, propounded in the
essay "The Primeval Mitosis" (to be found in "Soul on Ice"), of black
females as Amazon Domestics, black males as Supermasculine Menials,
white males as Omnipotent Administrators, and white females as
Superfeminine Dolls?
Well spoken! Wow!
One of my favorite things about ecofeminism is the refusal to believe
in an objective "mind" that is really the same in everyone, once you
get past all of the "meaningless" labels. I love a philosophy that
gives the person experiencing the situation the credit for knowing
more
In a message dated 2/22/1999 6:48:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We can't possibly live this way and reduce, reuse, or recycle enough.
Don't get me wrong here, I am not at all in favor of restricting immigration
to protect the environment.
The big "push" to limit
"This could be true of the Kaczynski Luddite approach (now there's a scary
little book)"
I'd like to comment on this briefly. If we are referring to "The Unabomber
Manifesto", there are many homophobic, xenophobic tendencies in that book
which I do not like and disagree with.
However, as a
"The whole
reduce, reuse, recycle concept is great, but if we keep having kids
with North American lifestyles, that really isn't going to help much. "
I agree. Not to mention that many recycling techniques are toxic.
In a message dated 2/22/1999 8:11:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
However, as a whole, I think it is a brilliant work and very deserving of
careful analysis and discussion rather than dismissal. It has some prize
critiques of the left and some rather cogent critiques of
In a message dated 2/22/1999 6:55:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There was certainly tension between Joe and Nicole in the recent debate.
Did the inflamatory nature of the subject matter contribute to that? Does
inflamatory language incite anger toward those who
I agree with Heather that North American consumption is more the
problem than overpopulation. I think that her statistic of 60% is way
low, however. In college (now 10 years ago) we learned that the US
consumes almost 90% of the world's natural resources. This was very
evident when I was a
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:34:12 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would it surprise you to hear that, as a white male southern college
student, I helped ramrod the initial funding of the Black Student Union there
past a
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:34:12 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would it surprise you to hear that, as a white male southern college
student, I helped ramrod the initial funding of the Black Student Union there
past a
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:34:12 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would it surprise you to hear that, as a white male southern college
student, I helped ramrod the initial funding of the Black Student Union there
past a
Hello Everyone:
It seems it's time (again) to remind the list that ECOFEM has
specific protocol for maintaining converstaions.
I do not see these protocol being supported in all of the
discussions regarding "feminist racism." Please refrain from
personal attacks and lengthy diatribes.
I
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:51:03 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 2/22/1999 5:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would it surprise you to hear that I had a two year relationship with a
smart and proud black woman born not od either subservience or recrimination,
but
This is one of the most antagonistic writings I have read on this list. Did
we hit a nerve Joe? This is not
close to an ecofeminist discussion. This is a new member expressing her
views without any malintent, and she does not deserve this treatment-- nor
does anyone-- it just won't heal any
Nan,
My husband and I are also leaning toward not having children for some of
these same reasons. And I also can relate to learning how other countries
and cultures use their resources more thoughtfully and effectively than the
US tends to do. It is amazing how returning to simplicity (or at
At Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:10:49 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
So you subscribe to the Eldridge Cleaver model, propounded in the
essay "The Primeval Mitosis" (to be found in "Soul on Ice"), of black
females as Amazon Domestics, black males as Supermasculine Menials,
white males as
In a message dated 2/22/1999 9:37:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was speaking of your racist presumption that any southern white US-er
must necessarily be a bigot. That seems to me to be quite congenial with, and
even reflective of, Cleaver's stereotypical caricature
I apologise to the list. Joe's message made me angry, and I think I should
have thought
before I wrote an antagonistic complaint about an antagonistic message--
quite hypocritical of me.
Again, sorry.
-c
This is one of the most antagonistic writings I have read on this list. Did
we hit a
Not only rising or steady birthrates, but am I correct in saying that
advanced technology with medicine in prolonging lives is also a factor in
population problems? People are living longer than ever these days.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT [EMAIL
I found Nichole's experiences and expressions to be quite intriguing and
worthy of sharing with the list. It provided another angle on feminism and
provoked new ideas and views on what it means to be a black woman, a woman
or simply a human being. It is good to see and hear where people come from
Hi All,
Does anyone have the latest facts on how many acres of old-growth forest are being
logged in the United States? I read last year that 1 million acres on average per
year but I can't seem to locage the URL again. I'm also looking for averages of
how many trees exist per acre in an old
Dear C, you made me realize I have a project that maybe the list serve can help
with. So once again a negative becomes a positive in some small corner of the
world. thanks, /donna
C H Green wrote:
I apologise to the list. Joe's message made me angry, and I think I should
have thought
before
I have alreadu been emailed by another (female) member of this list that you so
obnoxiously and persistently excoriated her that she had to turn to aol abuse for
recoures; I now see why.
Joe E. Dees
Poet, Pagan, Philosopher
I have already been emailed by another (female) member of this list that you so
obnoxiously and persistently excoriated her that she had to turn to aol abuse for
recoures; I now see why.
Joe E. Dees
Poet, Pagan, Philosopher
You know what would excite the hell out of me?
To see everyone on this list physically under one roof, perhaps maybe Oregon this
summer if Chris King and Jane King acquire the Rockefeller grant and 'go-ahead' to
produce a conference where we can use our collective talents and energy on issues
I have been informed that I must apologize for defending myself when I, words on a
screen, was attacked as a racist by Nicole, other words on a screen, on this list.
Apparently a person of my complexion and gender is not granted such a right, so I
apologize, and will try not to wear that short
I too found Nichole's writings interesting and intriguing and helpful. The
only way I can understand what is happening in Idaho is from people with more
experience on these issues than myself. I have no desire to reinvent the
wheel.
Kimberly Brett wrote:
I found Nichole's experiences and
Wow! I would Love to hear more about your experiences in Honduras! What was
the texture of the experience? Can you give some examples of the differences,
of the resourcefulness? I find this sort of exercise very, very helpful.
Also, I'm going to be hosting a De-Imperialization Discussion
"It is amazing how returning to simplicity (or at least a
level of simplicity) can reduce the amount of resources you use and
hopefully reduce the amont of resources that are wasted. "
I would love to see more practical discussions about people's experiences in
this regard.
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