Ecolog:
Wildflower guides are usually oriented to casual users, and that's fine.
What I would like to see are small, generalized distribution maps that
extend beyond the geographic boundaries of the guide with reasonable
accuracy (not just colored-in states from whence they have been
Ecolog:
Some may find it informative or ill-informative to follow the bouncing links on
this site (they come up as pdf files).
I am particularly interested in all ecologists' views of the definition of
invasive species, (here reproduced for your convenience), but there also are
other flaws.
Ecolog:
With respect to Conover's and Aney's responses (and influenced by my recent
communication with another retired ecologist, whom I'm blind-copying), I'm
going to jump off the bridge and suggest that diversity is proportional to
heterogeneity. I invite criticism and evidence or
Ecolog:
This might be of interest to all teachers, not to mention students.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Rick Reis
To: tomorrows-professor
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: TP Msg. #1096 Lose the Lectures
As a young physics professor at Harvard in the 1980s, Eric
[Note: Since I am subscribed only to the APWG and Ecolog-l lists, this
reply to all message will probably be confined to those two. I do not
object if anyone wishes to forward this post to the other lists. WT]
All:
I am not interested in applying for grants (I am retired), but am quite
All:
[Note: Please see my previous post (Ecosystem Preservation Management
Restoration Conservation Re: [APWG] PCA: 2011 Request for Proposals for PCA
NFWF Grant Program).]
With respect to control of invasive species, my interests lie in the realm of
science-derived public policy,
Ecolog:
Just having received this link from the California Invasive Plant Council, I
thought I would pass it along for those interested in the subject.
I am interested in as many comments from ecologists as I can get. It's a huge
document, so feel free to scan and comment on your areas of
-
From: Martin Meiss
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other
contaminants?
Wayne,
Your comment on mineral uptake by the mustard family reminded me
(correctly
states a long time
ago, unfortunately the process is not done everywhere!
Malcolm
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Ecolog:
This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the
British
Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences
Ecolog
While the Disseminating scientific thought to the general public: are
scientists making science readily accessible? discussion thread contained some
very useful discussion of principles, nothing illustrates principle like
specific examples. I would be interested in Ecolog's evaluation
Ecolog:
This is one helluva dilemma. On the one hand, I would like to know the
status of rare plants (and animals), but so would developers--so they can
destroy them (by preparing the land for agriculture, hence exempt from CEQA
requirements for their protection, for example) so that when
Ecolog:
This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the British
Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one
grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows that
were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning
Honorable Forum:
The original questions were:
1) Are scientists making scientific findings readily accessible to the
general
public?
2) What can scientists do to improve dissemination of scientific information
to
the general public?
3) Do scientists need to be involved in teaching the
-
From: Elizabeth Burnett eabur...@mtu.edu
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Disseminating scientific thought to the general public:
are scientists making science readily accessible?
Wayne,
As a current
Ecolog:
For the record, I agree with Meiss. Apparently I misunderstood him; if I
misinterpreted him, I regret the error. Meiss also observes correctly that
the thread wandered off the subject. Perhaps the journalism issue should be
split from the original thread (whilst preserving the
to
know what
to say.
Dave
On 4/9/2011 7:34 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
Of course, mistakes can happen. From my own experience, reporters
can get
it wrong--not because they intentionally do so, but because they
were
CERTAIN that they understood (and I must say that I have erred in
presuming
Dear All:
I believe that the public would have more confidence in global warming
claims if they were given more, not less information about the subject, with
links to the supporting data, including chapter and verse. While we, the
masses of unwashed ignoramuses, are awash in sound bytes
/2011 7:34 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
Of course, mistakes can happen. From my own experience, reporters can get
it wrong--not because they intentionally do so, but because they were
CERTAIN that they understood (and I must say that I have erred in
presuming that they understood, too). This unfortunate
- Original Message -
From: David L. McNeely mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] the difference between Ecology and Natural H istory?
Jaime Garizabal jgariza...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
By these days I´ve thinking
All:
Just try to challenge the Dr's and Prof's who narrate TV shows, no matter
how politely, and you will be shunned and ignored. This is true of any
priesthood. Does this advance science? We are not supposed to use our
critical faculties--especially if the narrator is famous. This is most
Lara and Ecolog:
Good questions.
No.
Yes.
Yes, but they need to learn it themselves first. And the students need to
learn what thinking is; for starters, they could try distinguishing thinking
from believing--as could a lot of scientists who profess to know.
If needed, I can elaborate
APWG:
Thanks to whomever sent me this reference: Ewel, J. J. F. E. Putz. 2004. A
place for alien species in ecosystem restoration. Frontiers in Ecology and the
Environment 2:354-360.
It is well-worth reading, not only for the point of the piece, but for the
ecological wisdom it contains.
Honorable Forum:
Though I read the paper at the time and was most impressed, I have forgotten
the details and no longer have a copy. Same for Lynn T. White's The
Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis (Science, Vol 155 (Number 3767),
March 10, 1967, pp 1203-1207). These two papers mark my
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] the precautionary principle makes sense and should
be applied to GCC arguments
White-tailed Deer and Beaver?
MW
- Original Message -
From: Wayne Tyson
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent
Passenger pigeon, anyone?
WT
- Original Message -
From: James Crants jcra...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] the precautionary principle makes sense and should
be applied to GCC arguments
On the contrary,
the natural greenhouse effect. Only a fool would expect
greenhouse warming to suddenly stop working because we're changing
chemical concentrations in the atmosphere.
Dave
On 3/20/2011 6:02 PM, Paul Cherubini wrote:
Wayne Tyson wrote:
The problem is credibility of good science in the eyes
to be slanted towards underestimating effects rather than
overestimating them. So, read it as a conservative assessment.
Hal Caswell
On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
James and Ecolog:
No, it's not a trick question, it's an honest plea for better, more
convincing information about
references and
well-thought-out responses, including James.
- Original Message -
From: James J. Roper
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Climate Change Data
Wayne, isn't somewhat of a trick question? I
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me or direct me to a source that can tell me unequivocally
and quantitatively what the direct and indirect effects of human influence
are and are projected to be compared to the background or natural
influences with respect to global temperature changes and predicted
Ecolog:
I may be quite out of date here (I fervently hope so), but in the early days
(1970's and '80's?) when universities first started cranking out Ph.D's in
environmental management or some such label, I got the impression that
biology/ecology had created a population of monsters on the
Honorable Ecolog Forum:
At the risk of repeating and repeating myself, I am once again going to cast
my good sense and caution to the winds and confess that I have operated most
of my life on the proposition that one (I) must go with the roughest guess
that gets the job done (is demonstrably
Honorable Forum:
Re: I think these general surveys are valuable, but they don't overtly
involve hypotheses and testing. However, it can and does include
assumptions/hypotheses; as one of the posters on the topic pointed out there
are always assumptions made. One doesn't walk every square inch
to test the hypothesis of common
descent, or that of natural selection. He set out to see what was there (and
to have an adventure rather than a pulpit).
mcneely
2011/3/7 Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Honorable Forum:
Re: I think these general surveys are valuable, but they don't
Honorable Forum:
Scholarship, research, science; all are endeavors of honesty. Their core is
about holding one's own against the slippery slopes of bs, not about having an
easy time of it. There is always some pressure to sell your soul to the power
structure, to buss your way to fame and
Ecolog:
What specifically distinguishes natural history from ecology?
WT
- Original Message -
From: Matt Chew anek...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology
Ecology without hypotheses has
that could do this might be
applicable anywhere.
- Original Message -
From: mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU; Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Question Ecology Natural History etc Re: [ECOLOG-L]
Hypothesis Testing
A quick scan of blogs by scientists between now and last May when the
intention was announced reveals that much single-investigator science has no
process or procedures in place that could safely be called data management.
The data life cycle for these projects ends with the publication of
I know this sounds like a joke, but I'm serious.
What is the best way to preserve dried fecal matter (for display)? While I
would like to preserve its present appearance, I realize that it may not be
possible to do without making it look shiny (polyvinyl acetate), and I would
like to do it
Jason and other Jason fans:
I once heard of a teacher who offered an A in the course to any student
who could ask one intelligent question. Yes, Jason, you do seem to have a
knack for asking good questions.
It seems to me, to pick up on Aaron's line, that if getting a Ph.D.
accelerates your
Jason and all others in a similar predicament:
In 1960 I quit a job paying $1,000 a month and took a seasonal GS-4 job
paying $4,440 per year doing white-pine delineation (survey) work. I was
soon promoted to GS-5. It was the best job I ever had, and I still use what
I learned on it every
Jason, David, and John (and Ecolog):
I forgot that when I decided to give up my cushy high-paid job, I
individually typed, on an old Underwood typewriter, forty applications to
forty National Forest offices. I got one response, but all I needed was one
job. I'm sure glad I didn't stop at 39.
standards, the definition of pristine, etc.
- Original Message -
From: Branson, Dave dave.bran...@ars.usda.gov
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: Ecology Terminology question Re: [ECOLOG-L] 8-WEEK SUMMER
INTERNSHIP IN PLANT RESTORATION
DB:
What does the term plant restoration mean? What distinguishes it from
ecological restoration or ecosystem restoration?
WT
- Original Message -
From: David Branson dbran...@sidney.ars.usda.gov
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject:
Thanks to Rebecca for this post, and to ConBio for making it available via
open access. I hope that other organizations dedicated to purpose rather
than profit centers will follow their example. While reading it may be a bit
much for all but a few, those few may be crucial in spreading the
the gardening vs.
conservation
discussion futile.
Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, Oregon
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 January, 2011 20:14
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just
Honorable Forum on Ecology:
Gardening, like farming, is the manipulation of habitat and organisms according
to the desire, preference, or whim of the gardener or farmer. This
manipulation, this cultivation, is the seat of culture (both derived from the
Latin cultivare, if memory serves me
of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Thursday, 27 January, 2011 17:54
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening? Re: [ECOLOG-L]
ECOLOG-L
Digest - 22 Jan 2011 to 23 Jan 2011 (#2011-23)
Each decision about
Middlebury College
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:52:57 -0800
From:Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Subject: Re: Conservation or just gardening?
Jason,
You have asked such good questions that, even though you have received a
plethora of very thoughtful responses, I'm going to take another crack
Jason,
You have asked such good questions that, even though you have received a
plethora of very thoughtful responses, I'm going to take another crack at
being more directly responsive and insert some additional thoughts into your
text in an attempt to keep myself from wandering off the
to THIS process, it will theoretically
become further refined and realize/exemplify those needs as Aney suggests.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Warren W. Aney
To: 'Wayne Tyson' ; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [ECOLOG-L
resource for
grazing. You don't think of an ecosystem. The commons is a monocrop
grassland, not a tangled bank. (p.244) Hope this helps.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January
, but to embrace the distinctions
without throwing out the old baby because the new one sprang from the
metaphor, so to speak.
WT
- Original Message -
From: mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU; Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:39 PM
Subject: Re
@gmail.com
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Advancing Theory Irony? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Advancing theory
in biology (NSF)
Hi Wayne,
For those of us who haven't read Johnson (or at least not the book
you're
Y'all:
Just for grins, one might consider that anyone might be better off asking
questions from the heart of one's intellectual passion rather than any
canned ones aimed at getting a mere job. Any institution that would fail
to hire you because your passion didn't match their mission would
If Steven Johnson is right about Where Good Ideas Come From, Houston, we
have a problem.
If SJ is wrong, we should expect a clamor for the stimulus dough, and a
flock of applications . . . er, proposals. The real nutcases won't bother,
and those who harbor ill-fitting concepts will be
Y'all:
No habitat, no organism. (Tyson's law) Yeah, I know--there are no laws in
ecology. It is written.
WT
PS: Even so, I ain't always agin' gardening. I got myself in big trouble
backing the California condor program back in '86 when my Op-Ed piece in the
New York Times hit the street
is taking on the challenge of returning
damaged ecosystems to indigenous assemblages/functioning ecosystems in Brazil.
- Original Message -
From: Juan P Alvez
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation
- Original Message -
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Advancing Theory Irony? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Advancing theory
in biology (NSF)
What is NSF's track record with respect to advancing theory
yourself lucky when this is accomplished);
3. Finally, the reestablishment of the flow of ecosystem services.
These events take time and resources but are worth doing.
Just my 2 cts!
Juan P. Alvez
On 1/18/2011 4:04 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
Jason and Ecolog:
Many years ago (early 1980's
Jason and Ecolog:
Many years ago (early 1980's?) I did a paper that I think I called Ecosystem
Restoration and Landscaping: A Comparison. I don't remember the name of the
conference and I'm not sure of the place, but it might have been one of the
early conferences of the Society for
Suzuki challenge forgotten again and again and again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8cmWZOX8Q And a very big-minded little child
shall tell them.
Joy to the world. Let earth receive her. At long last, at LONG LAST, let earth
recieve her.
WT
Ecolog
While most of the comments on Ritchie's thread were useful to me, I'm not
sure any of them directly answered Euan's question-- . . . if this term
isn't helpful for conveying the importance of species diversity to the
public, what term(s) should we use?
As I said, I dunno. But it has
Ecolog:
The excellent responses to this thread have been very thought-provoking.
Quotes found particularly interesting with respect to difficulties of
definition:
Let's argue to preserve our habitats because they are valuable, beautiful,
and sacred, not because the score high on a diversity
Ecology Biodiversity Laws 101215
Ecology is such a squishy, fuzzy, fractal, chaotic phenomenon, it's no
wonder definitions of terms are such a challenge.
Defining, pinning down, measuring something that is infinitely complex and
continuously changing may be impossible, even
Ecolog:
It seems that this is a kickoff for this organization/website, but the mission
statement seems vague and the long-range plan and by-laws non-existent (404
Error). Maybe they can/will be posted or a notice posted when they are
available on the website.
Perhaps Ecolog members would
Euan and Ecolog:
Uhhh, I dunno, but I suspect that the public resents exclusion and other
forms of disrespect just as intensely as do scientists and other academics
and intellectuals.
First, you have to open the door. The primary deficiency (oh, hell, there
are so many primary deficiencies,
-
From: Martin Meiss
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the
public's attention?
Despite the apparent cynicism of my earlier post on this thread, I
would
Ecolog, Malcolm:
In digging around the Internet, I unearthed the following references. I hope
that y'all will help me to further understand the importance of this discovery,
and any possible lines of relevance to evolution in general and arsenic use
in other organisms and how those uses differ
somewhere? Please tell me where!
Our society is so anti-intellectual it is scary. I blame this on the
dumbing down of the American curriculum (K-College).
Malcolm McCallum
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Honorable Forum:
In a recent post, the author expressed
Ecolog:
I hope that Malcolm will continue to help us/me understand the details of
this paper. As a non-member of AAAS, I do not have access to it . . .
[24 hours access to this Science article for US $15.00 from your current
computer.
[Why Don't I Have Access?
[The content you requested
Honorable Forum:
In a recent post, the author expressed concern about our anti-intellectual
society--. . . our anti-intellectual society would find it very difficult to
appreciate . . .
There can be little doubt that our society is replete with
anti-intellectualism. Ecology and ecologists
contribution to the listserv.
Martin M. Meiss
2010/11/20 Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Ecolog:
As Kent has pointed out, the quote apparently is from David
Attenborough's
book; I found it on a website concerning biomimicry.
http://www.asknature.org/strategy
Honorable Forum:
I don't know how much any master's degree is worth; some are very expensive
(e.g. at for profit universities which scandously push student loans
that will come back to haunt and bite students in later life) and will
saddle a person with impossible debt, others can be had at
in interpreting ecology to the world at large.
I look forward to your corrections.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Roots find water
Ecolog:
Please advise whether
Ecolog:
Please advise whether or not the following quote is completely valid; if not,
what specifically is invalid and why :
To find water, a plant has to position its roots with just as much precision
as it arranges its leaves. If moisture is in very short supply, then a plant
may have to
they might better be understood.
If I have still bungled it, kindly advise--I may be a bit dense, but sometimes
the third time's the charm . . .
WT
- Original Message -
From: mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU; Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5
there's plenty else to criticise in what
the speaker had to say).
Quoting Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net:
Honourable Forum:
Recently there was a discussion about the importance of getting
nomenclature right in ecological studies. The general conclusion was
that this is important. To me
...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Saturday, 13 November, 2010 18:40
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Taxonomy and Ecology Integrating or
Disintegrating?
I could only take this person's word for it. The interpretation I came
away
abomination. I was
giving some lectures on size-structured ecosystems, so I introduced myself
as an abominable ecologist. It seemed a fitting title. Still does.
Bill Silvert
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Tyson
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:18 PM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG
-5191
mailing address: 301 Funchess Hall, Auburn University, AL, 36849, USA
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Honourable Forum:
Recently there was a discussion about the importance of getting
nomenclature right in ecological studies. The general conclusion
Honourable Forum:
Recently there was a discussion about the importance of getting nomenclature
right in ecological studies. The general conclusion was that this is important.
To me, the implication was that ecologists need taxonomists on the team (this
may or may not always or even rarely be
as applied in
elementary science courses (precollege) has confused the public so much about
how science works and is done, that I wish the terms would go away completely.
David McNeely
Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Martin and Ecolog:
I have often suggested this (everything
and not enough about learning how things work.
Bill Silvert
-Original Message- From: Wayne Tyson
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:39 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] ECOLOGY Fundamentals Principles Laws Other
Ecolog:
In recent years the debate about Laws of Ecology
Ecolog:
In recent years the debate about Laws of Ecology has been re-heated.* If the
study of the interactions of living organisms with environments is to have
discipline, it seems to me that it should have produced some observations about
how things work or function that, when applied, never
Ecolog (permission statement included):
I like both Eric and Warren's statements, and hope others will add their own
ideas. I have had one other off-list suggestion.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Eric Branton
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: a...@coho.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 27
Ecolog:
I have been given to understand that plant cover is the most widely used type
of measurement used in assessing ecosystem restoration project performance.
What other types of measurement would you suggest, and why? Why is cover
preferred, if it is? Why would others be preferable?
WT
Ecolog:
By way of trying to catch up and perhaps assess my slip-ups, I wonder if y'all
would care to tell me what you think are the fundamental principles of
ecosystem restoration?
WT
Ecolog:
Apart from regions where cattle evolved, they are less likely to be
efficient converters of grass and forbs to protein and more likely to
adversely affect species which did evolve in non-cow habitats, including
indigenous large mammals that are uncultivated. Their confinement
It takes a fuzzy mind,
to sing a fuzzy song . . .
. . . as the old country song might be adapted here . . .
Good taxonomy first led us to Leymus, then to Elymus, then back to Leymus.
I've never looked this up, but (puff, puff) continue to preserve and
propagate as much confusion as I can by
important because these groups are
continually under taxonomic upheaval.
Malcolm
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Ecolog:
I very quickly scanned the paper; I may have erred in my interpretation,
so
please do not cascade my potential errors through
. This is not needed with obvious species (White tailed
deer, c), but when you start getting into inverts and lower
vertebrates it becomes pretty important because these groups are
continually under taxonomic upheaval.
Malcolm
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Ecolog:
I very
Ecolog:
I very quickly scanned the paper; I may have erred in my interpretation, so
please do not cascade my potential errors through the literature, gray or
otherwise. I also admit I found Bortolus a bit hard to follow. Maybe I just
don't understand the particulars (and specific cases) as
Ecolog and Bill Silvert:
I apologize in advance for the length of this post; I didn't have time to
write a shorter one. (I will be incognito for about 30 days beginning in a
couple of days, so some of my responses may be delayed--but I will respond
when able.)
For the record, I do not
Bill and Ecolog:
Again, I'm with you on the subjectivity hang-up problem. These things are
hard to generalize about; maybe we should start looking harder and nature
films and try to sort out priorities and degrees of fakery and whether the
fakery adds to or detracts from the truth.
I'm also
that get off the subject.
- Original Message -
From: James Crants
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology and Gardening Re: [ECOLOG-L] Help with
development of a gardening/ecology teaching tool (game
Ecolog:
Gardening (and all cultivation) should be seen for what it is, human culture
manipulating its habitat/environment to suit humans rather than being
changed/evolved by the habitat/environment/ecosystems which, by definition,
are not cultivated.
WT
- Original Message -
From:
used to save endangered species.
In some areas there are groups of gardeners who focus on native plants to
shift the balance away from exotics. This kind of gardening should be
promoted, not scorned.
Bill Silvert
- Original Message -
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L
Ecolog:
The first question is, Is the charge of 'naturefaking' valid or fake?
It seems to me that there is a tendency to cherry-pick cases to support
biases. Somewhere between a batty batter batting bats for money, and setting
up a shot that doesn't mislead is a grey area that needs to tip
Here's a link to a timely report on this subject:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/21/AR2010092105782.html
WT
PS: It seems that some are not concerned; others think the practice is a major
problem. I tend to think it depends a lot on whether or not the faking is
Ecolog:
Please correct me if I missed something, but I did not see any information
about the offsetting effects on total CO2 caused by photosynthesis; the data
seem confined to emissions, not to net CO2 increases or decreases. I find no
links to references in support of the data presented nor
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