All: 

Rather than hang this onto the recent/ongoing discussion of "plot sampling for 
density," I will say that the more I think about it, the more difficulty I have 
in seeing the value in measuring either cover or density. Both have more to do 
with the present state of an ecosystem in terms getting some kind of handle 
(inferential?) on its potential productivity/carrying capacity or its state on 
the way to that point. Even species diversity is largely a reflection of site 
diversity and biological interactions (shade, soil, predation, dispersal, 
etc.), which change (and thus must be continuously/periodically measured over 
time (one-time studies are necessarily a snapshot, not a movie) if they are to 
have anything to say about ecosystem dynamics--understanding what is actually 
going on. 

So let me have it! 

WT

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