Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Jeff Rush
kirby urner wrote: I hope edu-sig proves a relevant source of ideas. Probably you won't be using the __ribs__ idea (snakes have lots of 'em), but if you don't know what I mean, I'll plug my Europython slides again (I'm spreading the __rib__ idea in Vilnius).

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread kirby urner
Kirby, those slides are interesting, but having a voiceover explaining them would be great. With the work you've put into them, you should consider screencasting -- just flip the slides and talk into a microphone for us. Yes, I have Camtasia Studio, did a recap of my OSCON 2005 presentation

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:04:14 EDT, Andy Judkis writes: I've been out painting my house, so I have some catching up to do as well . I thank Andre for coming to my defense, but I think Michael's on the righ t track. The problem is that I haven't found something sufficiently motivat ing

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Andy Judkis
I know some say Kirby's stuff doesn't count because high schoolers pay money to take my class and are hence motivated (not fair!), but I do consider my classes somewhat successful, in terms of high marks for the teacher (they grade me, but not vice versa, confidentially but I'm told I do

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:29:24 CDT, Atul Varma writes: Has anyone ever explored the idea of using a collaborative virtual community for teaching programming? I'm thinking about something along the lines of Amy Bruckman's MOOSE Crossing: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/elc/moose-crossing/

Re: [Edu-sig] Scaffolding

2007-07-08 Thread Tom Hoffman
On 7/8/07, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've learned a new term from ya'll: scaffolding. Of course I knew it from the namespace of construction, but here it means a framework or prewritten code or auxiliary aids such as diagrams. Anyone want to elaborate? I see links between

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Jay Bloodworth
I'm joining the discussion late; I'm going to respond on a couple of points that resonated with me, but forgive me for neglecting a few attributions. Also, I'm going to ramble a bit through some of the things I think about as a math educator. Hopefully I can make it work the trip for you to

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Laura Creighton
resent -- left off the g in python.org There is a small fraction of students I get who cannot learn algebra, ever, no matter what I or anybody else does. I don't know why that is. But there is a larger number which I could not teach algebra until after I had taught them geometry. So we fixed

Re: [Edu-sig] Scaffolding

2007-07-08 Thread Richard Guenther
Looking back, I was the one who used scaffolding first in this thread--so I apologize for that :-). To give a simple example of how I would use what I consider to be scaffolding, consider this real-life example from my teaching the IMP math curriculum: When in the Solve It unit, some of the

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Richard Guenther
Jay, 1. I agree the core issues in teaching programming and teaching formal math are the same core issues. 2. I'm glad you admit, as I do, that you're not really sure how kids learn algebra. Certainly we could teach the same way teachers have for the last 50 years and we would get the same

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Winston Wolff
I have thought a lot about this. I teach kids (aged 10-14 mostly) to write video games using Scratch and Python. They love it, but I'd like to promote more community and make the classes a little more game like. I've been thinking about old programming games like Core Wars and Robot

Re: [Edu-sig] Scaffolding

2007-07-08 Thread kirby urner
On 7/8/07, Tom Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much scaffolding to do is a central issue in constructivist education. I've read studies that indicates there was a huge difference between the amount of scaffolding done in a classroom by Papert (a lot! but mostly informal), how he

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread Jay Bloodworth
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 21:46 +0200, Laura Creighton wrote: Do you have many students who are good at geometry and still rotten at algebra? Also what do they say when you ask them 'what don't you understand here?' I wouldn't say rotten, but it's not unusual to have students who do

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-08 Thread kirby urner
On 7/8/07, Andy Judkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your circumstances are somewhat different but I don't feel like your stuff doesn't count. It would be extremely interesting to hear how your kids approach the test question I presented that started this thing. You wanna pose it to them and see