Re: [Edu-sig] Simple example involving threads and infinite loops.

2007-07-18 Thread Andre Roberge
Following some bug hunting, I have written an update on the blog post mentioned in my previous message. I think it shows very clearly how the borg interpreters do indeed share a common state - and how unexpected result can happen when working with communicating threads (even those that were

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education

2007-07-18 Thread Paul D. Fernhout
Anna Ravenscroft wrote: Still, I could essentially see Guido's point, because some conventional school staff who otherwise like Python may face issues posting to a list talking about the future of education (which may appear to threaten their job), so perhaps ultimately a solution would be to

[Edu-sig] sa: 8144: Day Two

2007-07-18 Thread kirby urner
[ Pursuant to: http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/sa-8144-day-one.html ] I thought I'd do this one in a more premeditated style, outlining my lesson plan for the day, then following up later with a brief report on how I'd deviated from the script, how it all went. That won't be right after

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-18 Thread Laura Creighton
Late: I have been busy with Europthon In a message of Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:35:17 EDT, Jay Bloodworth writes: On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 21:46 +0200, Laura Creighton wrote: Do you have many students who are good at geometry and still rotten at algebra? Also what do they say when you ask them 'what

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education

2007-07-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
Please stop arguing politics on the list NOW. I don't want to start actually kicking people or posts off the list, but I will if it doesn't stop. This is simply not the platform for it. Find a different platform where this topic are welcome. --Guido On 7/18/07, Paul D. Fernhout [EMAIL

Re: [Edu-sig] a non-rhetorical question

2007-07-18 Thread kirby urner
Long before we start talking about 'variables' and 'powers' and the like -- which is all part of the 'notationally true' world, we need to nail down the absolute truths about addition that the order in which you add terms does not matter. Which we can then formulate as LAWS about addition.

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education

2007-07-18 Thread Ernesto Costa
Hi, Two years ago I was in a committee in my department where we discussed what language and methodology should we use for teaching our first course in programming for majors in computer science. Python was the winner and in 2006/2007 I was the responsible for the first edition of the

[Edu-sig] Proposal: CP4E-sig

2007-07-18 Thread kirby urner
Note: I think it'll be confusing for newcomers to read the following, and then encounter a strict no politics ban, only recently instituted and not spelled out on any python.org web page to date: === About Edu-sig English (USA) This list is the starting point for a community around

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education (meta on list charter)

2007-07-18 Thread Paul D. Fernhout
Guido- I've been on this list continuously since about the second day (2/3/2000) -- a little over seven years. I'll admit I was so turned off by Kirby's comments after my initial posts (on bringing good ideas from Squeak into Python, the technical topic I still like the most, and continue to work

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education (meta on list charter)

2007-07-18 Thread Dethe Elza
On 18-Jul-07, at 4:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm just speaking for the majority of list members who are tired of your and Kirby's (and it the past Arthur's) rants. I really don't care about arguments proving that the list charter is what you want it to be. Most people want it to be

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education (meta on list charter)

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Tobis
Apparently meta-sig is moderated. I should say my reply will hopefully appear shortly on meta-sig. mt On 7/18/07, Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am mentioned in Paul Fernhout's posting. Per Guido's request to keep such matters off-list, my reply is on meta-sig. mt

[Edu-sig] Newbie question

2007-07-18 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Guido wrote: Our plan has three components: * Develop a new computing curriculum suitable for high school and college students. * Create better, easier to use tools for program development and analysis. * Build a user community around all of the above, encouraging feedback

Re: [Edu-sig] Proposal: CP4E-sig

2007-07-18 Thread kirby urner
On 7/18/07, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list description is 7 years out of date, as *my* CP4E project ended when I left CNRI. And *my* CP4E project was certainly not intended to be political (in fact, the DARPA politics around funding made me abandon it). Perhaps my joining

Re: [Edu-sig] Newbie question

2007-07-18 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
On 7/18/07, Antoine van Gelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido wrote: Our plan has three components: * Develop a new computing curriculum suitable for high school and college students. * Create better, easier to use tools for program development and analysis. * Build a

[Edu-sig] Donated computers, Linux, and IDLE problems.

2007-07-18 Thread Richard Guenther
I'm not sure if this is the best place to post this question, but it certainly fits into the edu-sig realm ;-) I will be sponsoring a high school computer programming club again this year. I get older computers donated to me quite often, most in the Pentium3 range. Often they have a crippled

Re: [Edu-sig] sa: 8144: Day Two

2007-07-18 Thread kirby urner
On 7/18/07, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Pursuant to: http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/sa-8144-day-one.html ] I thought I'd do this one in a more premeditated style, outlining my lesson plan for the day, then following up later with a brief report on how I'd deviated from

Re: [Edu-sig] sa: 8144: Day Two

2007-07-18 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
On 7/18/07, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/07, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Pursuant to: http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/sa-8144-day-one.html ] I thought I'd do this one in a more premeditated style, outlining my lesson plan for the day, then