Re: [Edu-sig] Math and Python: level of difficulty

2010-01-25 Thread Maria Droujkova
I would very much like to see this efforts expanded to earlier ages and stages in math development. I work with kids as young as three and on, using Scratch with them. They learn so much from programming, from coordinate thinking to increments and gentle calculus (e.g. that you program speed as

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: What might this new exam be like? CS with no programming and no math? We'll see. My guess is, if it eventually comes about, it will be a no-specific-programming-language exam, which will simply replace the current AP CS exam in Java. I believe two AP CS exams will be

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread Litvin
At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote: I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual language. A much better alternative would be to have the same test in multiple languages (perhaps with a handicap factor for the students choosing Python, so they don't have an embarrassing

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread Andrew Harrington
Gary, Interesting site, ACSL. Curious, there is no mention of specific languages or freedom of language the I find quickly on their site. The only hint is the list of languages given where solutions are given, Is that the actual list of restrictions? On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Litvin

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote: I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual language. A much better alternative would be to have the same test in multiple languages (perhaps with a handicap factor for the students choosing Python, so they don't have an

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Litvin lit...@skylit.com wrote: Me too -- by a factor of two.  At least.  So what?  First language discussions flare up regularly on the ap-compsci listserve.  In this forum, Python would win, of course. :)  I am all for Python, but I don't believe in the

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be in C++ until 2003. The current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It took a tremendous effort to retrain HS teachers from C++ to Java/OOP... If the college board decided that Python is used at most colleges in intro CS courses,

Re: [Edu-sig] some turtle questions

2010-01-25 Thread kirby urner
Hi Brian -- If you wanna go to a lot of work, but not a huge amount, write wrapper class for the Standard Library turtle that intercepts its commands and updates an on-board data structure, representing pixels x pixels, specifying self position, keep color info stashed per each one. That's a lot