Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-26 Thread Maria Droujkova
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.eduwrote: Litvin wrote: AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be in C++ until 2003. The current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It took a tremendous effort to retrain HS teachers from C++ to Java/OOP... If the

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-26 Thread Litvin
At 11:50 PM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote: Why does the AP test have to be offered in just one language? Why do we need to make a tremendous effort to move teachers from one language to another? Couldn't every school-district make it's own choice of language? Do colleges really expect

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: What might this new exam be like? CS with no programming and no math? We'll see. My guess is, if it eventually comes about, it will be a no-specific-programming-language exam, which will simply replace the current AP CS exam in Java. I believe two AP CS exams will be

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread Litvin
At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote: I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual language. A much better alternative would be to have the same test in multiple languages (perhaps with a handicap factor for the students choosing Python, so they don't have an embarrassing

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread Andrew Harrington
Gary, Interesting site, ACSL. Curious, there is no mention of specific languages or freedom of language the I find quickly on their site. The only hint is the list of languages given where solutions are given, Is that the actual list of restrictions? On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Litvin

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote: I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual language. A much better alternative would be to have the same test in multiple languages (perhaps with a handicap factor for the students choosing Python, so they don't have an

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Litvin lit...@skylit.com wrote: Me too -- by a factor of two.  At least.  So what?  First language discussions flare up regularly on the ap-compsci listserve.  In this forum, Python would win, of course. :)  I am all for Python, but I don't believe in the

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread David MacQuigg
Litvin wrote: AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be in C++ until 2003. The current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It took a tremendous effort to retrain HS teachers from C++ to Java/OOP... If the college board decided that Python is used at most colleges in intro CS courses,

[Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-24 Thread Litvin
At 04:12 AM 1/24/2010, kirby urner wrote: Some of us have been hoping to interest local community colleges in serving as venues for these teacher training programs that in some cases equip math teachers already in the field with some of these new skills. The idea, as I've posted about