At 02:37 PM 12/8/2008 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote:
... here are the reasons I see that more
schools don't offer programming:
1) Lack of qualified staff. Sadly a graduate with a teaching certificate
(as required by the state) usually doesn't have anything like the
background to teach programming, let
We need lots of examples where programming is useful to non-programmers. I
already mentioned the real estate agent needing to digest some data from the
property appraisers office. For the shop teacher: How about a homeowner
wanting to lay tiles, avoid wastage, and slivers that look bad along
I agree that finding relevant problems that are easily solved with a
quickie program is hard to find. One idea I've been toying with at
Stratolab from our programming coures is having a programming game to
artificially create interesting quickie programs.
How about Robot Wars of the past,
I would think any teacher of math or science would have no difficulty using
Python and integrating it into their teaching. Don't teach it as a separate
subject, but introduce each new statement as it is needed.
Right. That's the strategy I thought would be most practical working within
the
2008/12/10 michel paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
SNIP
There is a big contrast between doing math the traditional way, solving
equations by manipulating symbols in some boolean assertion to isolate a
variable, vs. thinking computationally - creating sets of functions to model
concepts.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:57 AM, David MacQuigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kirby,
This is very well written appeal, but in this mailing list, you may be
preaching to the choir. What I would like to see is a discussion of *why*
there is not more teaching of programming in high school. I can't
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
The occasion yesterday was the Program for the Future conference at
the Tech Museum (San Jose CA), Adobe Systems, and Stanford, and the
celebration of the 40th anniversary of Doug Engelbart's Mother of All
Demos
Daniel Ajoy schrieb:
But the criteria of relevant problems, easily solved with a quickie
program is tough to meet.
...
And another point is that some problems cannot be solved using algebra or trig.
I believe this is one:
http://neoparaiso.com/logo/problema-triangulos.html
It
Re outsourcing, here I am in the capital of open source (Portland, per
Christian Science Monitor that time -- San Jose uncomfortable with
that, stealing back OSCON -- OK, OK, their turn, we agree), and yet
when push comes to shove, there's a rather tiny geek culture.
I find myself advising
David MacQuigg wrote:
What ever happened to the original enthusiasm with Computer Programming
for Everyone? If everyone with a high school diploma knew how to write a
simple program, not only would we be more productive, but we would
understand the world better. Instead of loose talk and
I like schoolish math, will plan to recycle that.
As for the rest of it, trademark Paul F. in being so verbose, will
leave it to other analysts to summarize it for me this time. Good
seein' ya Paul.
For those wishing to lurk on my inner doings (acting locally in
Portland), I refer you to this
I think you're spot on about the advantage over the poor thing, as our
stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
labs, whereas where my daughter goes, they can't afford enough chairs for
the cafeteria, everyone has to spill out into Burgerville and Wendy's for
At 08:22 AM 12/8/2008 -0800, kirby urner wrote:
I think you're spot on about the advantage over the poor thing, as our
stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
labs,
I've also heard the argument that most kids will never be programmers ...
missing the point
David,
Here's my small nugget of experience:
My son goes to a prep school in southern CA, and when we met with his
adviser at the end of 8th grade last spring to plan out his high school
curriculum, I was floored to learn that there were no computer science
classes offered at all anymore. Here's
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David MacQuigg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:22 AM 12/8/2008 -0800, kirby urner wrote:
I think you're spot on about the advantage over the poor thing, as our
stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
labs,
I've also heard
David MacQuigg wrote:
Kirby,
This is very well written appeal, but in this mailing list, you may
be preaching to the choir. What I would like to see is a discussion
of *why* there is not more teaching of programming in high school. I
can't seem to get an answer from the few high-school
David:
What I would like to see is a discussion of *why* there is not more
teaching of programming in high school.
Especially given that 'integrating technology into the curriculum' is given
such lip service.
Most people equate technology with tool use. They seldom equate it with
language
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David MacQuigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:30 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, michel paul wrote:
David:
What I would like to see is a discussion of *why* there is not more
teaching of programming in high school.
I think part of the problem in the past has been the
Well, I'm a high school teacher, and today we started to learn about
programming in my 10th grade Principles of Computer Technology class.
I tell them that we do it because it's a good intellectual skill to
develop, it builds their problem solving and critical thinking
abilities, it's fun,
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