Re: [Edu-sig] Updating the edu-sig page

2009-03-29 Thread Guido van Rossum
problem, except possibly for the wiki's front page (spammers are lazy). Note that the wiki also has a mechanism that can send email when a page is changed. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Some URLs that I talked about Last Night at the BOF

2009-03-29 Thread Guido van Rossum
of maturity - mostly these are part time things that play with along with my students. /Chuck Severance www.dr-chuck.com ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig -- --Guido van Rossum (home

Re: [Edu-sig] Order of operations confusion

2009-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
         http://www.asymptopia.org ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu

Re: [Edu-sig] computer algebra

2008-12-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
) / Fraction(2). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 3:05 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:47 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP fractions.Fraction, on the other hand, barfs on anything

Re: [Edu-sig] computer algebra

2008-12-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
schools (ETS slave, whatever). I think that comment is a little out of line. BTW big Oh is not part of calculus, it's part of complexity theory, a totally different field (more relevant to computers than calculus though). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Edu-sig] Programming in High School

2008-12-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
in commodities. Now I am switching back to stocks. I just hope I can ride it out. I don't get the connection. But maybe this is just your way of hinting that you are in it for the money. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Reloaded?

2008-02-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
, Guido van Rossum wrote: PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-) What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider cool, after 1 class

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Reloaded?

2008-02-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
, which puts a LiveWires wrapper around pygame. Vern Guido van Rossum wrote: How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky. On Wed

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Reloaded?

2008-02-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:55 PM, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what's instead of reload in Python 3.x? imp.reload() PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home

Re: [Edu-sig] grabbing the output from turtle and sending it to a (real) printer

2007-11-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
) would be if they could print their pictures to a printer. Does anybody know of how to do this? -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

[Edu-sig] Py3k Trivia :-)

2007-09-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
of the 8-whip minimum! http://pbskids.org/curiousgeorge/parentsteachers/program/ep_desc_3.html -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education (meta on list charter)

2007-07-19 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 7/19/07, Paul D. Fernhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll see how well censorship works here too. Equating what is happening here to censorship is a joke in itself. All the best. Good riddance. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education

2007-07-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] Python in Secondary Schools

2007-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
rule forbidding such destructive topics (enforced by a moderator reminding posters and readers of this rule when the topic is accidentally brought up again). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Python in Secondary Schools

2007-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 7/17/07, Andre Roberge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/17/07, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seem more than one mailing list go up in flames over education politics -- understandably a touchy issue so perhaps best discussed elsewhere. I have also seen lists saved

Re: [Edu-sig] Politics and Python in Education (was Re: Python in Secondary Schools)

2007-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
to NOT interpose it into threads that aren't about that? That won't help enough. There are plenty of other places where you can post political opinions. There's only one place to discuss the teaching of Python. Please keep the politics out. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Edu-sig] Python in Secondary Schools

2007-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] Python in Secondary Schools

2007-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
to champion any particular thing. While Python is open source, Python doesn't take a position on the superiority of open source. Open source happens to have been expedient for Python's proliferation. Your mileage may vary. We're not the FSF. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org

Re: [Edu-sig] Reloading code (was Re: OLPC: first thoughts)

2007-02-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
that generality and late bindingness might also make possible restarting an exception without VM changes. Why do you care about avoidung VM changes? The VM changes (incrementally) at each minor Python release. --Guido --Paul Fernhout Guido van Rossum wrote: On 2/24/07, Paul D. Fernhout [EMAIL

Re: [Edu-sig] Reloading code (was Re: OLPC: first thoughts)

2007-02-24 Thread Guido van Rossum
]) for name in oldnames - newnames: delattr(oldclass, name) for name in oldnames newnames - set([__dict__, __doc__]): setattr(oldclass, name, newdict[name]) return oldclass -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Edu-sig] The keyhole problem and learning environments

2006-07-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
may well have been that he sensed this in me and changed his tune to avoid offending me; clearly he wants something from me. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http

Re: [Edu-sig] Alan Kay - another one of his ideas

2006-07-13 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 7/13/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: There we go again. You are surrounded by geeks so obviously you don't realize this any more, but do you have *any* idea how privileged you were to have a computer in the early 80s? In what way is this relevant

Re: [Edu-sig] Alan Kay - another one of his ideas

2006-07-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] Alan Kay - another one of his ideas

2006-07-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: I have no argument with the rest of your message but I want to stop the rhetoric claiming that the WWW is somehow bad for us. Heck, no. I didn't mean to say that the web is bad for you (as in TV is bad for you

Re: [Edu-sig] The best way to predict the future...

2006-07-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
to sell out (except on the topic of int/int :-). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Not true right?

2006-06-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
massage oil. :-) There can be truth to the rumor if you want to; just propose a meaning and it will magically become true (sort of like the room of requirement in Harry Potter). But why is there an ad about George W Bush Humor showing in my gmail window next to this thread? -- --Guido van Rossum

Re: [Edu-sig] Accessibility to non CS types?

2006-05-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/26/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given Python's original goal was to be friendly to techies who are not specifically computer scientists, Actually, that was ABC's goal. Python's original goal was to be a scripting language for people already fluent in C and sh. -- --Guido van

Re: [Edu-sig] new python // and /

2006-05-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

[Edu-sig] Stop the unschooling debate. NOW.

2006-04-23 Thread Guido van Rossum
spends its money. And no, the participants in the discussion don't get a parting shot of the form okay, I will withdraw, but here are my last words. Believe me, you've already had your say. (Hey, I'm almost wishing for Art. At least he's terse. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http

[Edu-sig] Moving forward an educational Python environment -- leadership wanted

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
-- From: Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 22, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Moving forward the educational Python code development To: Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Kirby Urner [EMAIL PROTECTED], [...] Guido van Rossum wrote: After Kirby's posts and mine on the Python mailing list

Re: [Edu-sig] Shuttleworth Summit

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
thing. So, we are just really talking about the meaning of completely in Monty Python's and now for something completely different. :-) All the best. --Paul Fernhout Guido van Rossum wrote: Let me just add that *this* is an example of why I am going to quickly extract myself from

Re: [Edu-sig] Shuttleworth Summit

2006-04-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Shuttleworth Summit

2006-04-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
? (If not, adding it might be a SoC project?) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Shuttleworth Summit

2006-04-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
the posts about pygame? That's a more likely candidate. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Shuttleworth Summit

2006-04-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] unicode/tkinter difficulties on macosx

2005-10-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
you have to compare each point to all points following it in the list until the x coordinate is more than epsilon away. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
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[Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
Has anyone looked at this yet? http://msdn.microsoft.com/coding4fun/ http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/development/story/0,10801,105100,00.html -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu

Re: [Edu-sig] FW: RFS: python-visual - VPython 3D scientific visualization library

2005-04-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Edu-sig] How do I import from __future__ at startup?

2005-02-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
but didn't find a quick answer to this. Perhaps somebody can help me out? $ python -Qnew Python 2.3.4 (#2, Aug 6 2004, 10:37:58) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. 1/2 0.5 -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http

Re: [Edu-sig] re: financial calculation

2005-02-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
keep this up for ten years - sure print future_value(iday,cday,ivalue,cvalue,10) _ which returns 4561078546.84 If you fix it, as follows: year_periods=days_invested/365 the answer is about 85. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http