Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread michel paul
2009/9/27 kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com: This isn't the kind of critique most people have in mind when they start questioning the hegemony of the graphing calculator empire. Definitely not, but what a great perspective, pun intended. - Michel 2009/9/27 Charles Cossé cco...@gmail.com:

Re: [Edu-sig] Beautiful sample programs?

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
Hi Hélène -- Yes I recall your discussions. You may already have checked out some of my Python-related writings here: http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html A backdoor straight to my code, if you don't want to dig through any essays is: http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/python/ One thing I

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread Brian Blais
On Sep 27, 2009, at 19:38 , Charles Cossé wrote: Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not: The point at which fancy graphing calculators become necessary (ie as in one's student career) is the point at which the calculator should be abandoned and Python

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread Jeff Rush
Brian Blais wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 19:38 , Charles Cossé wrote: Her kids should do the exercises by hand, on graph paper instead. Anything that is hard enough for you to use a graphic calculator can be done much more easily with a computer. Agreed, After giving her this advice

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
2009/9/28 Brian Blais bbl...@bryant.edu: trim Just a month ago, a friend of mine who homeschools her children was asking me about graphing calculators.  Apparently the math curriculum she uses has a number of graphic calculator exercises.  My advice was to buy a nice solar-powered

Re: [Edu-sig] Beautiful sample programs?

2009-09-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Hi Hélène, I'd like to point you to a suite of sample scripts that use Python's turtle module. You can find it here: http://python-turtle-demo.googlecode.com It contains a demo-viewer turtleDemo.py that lets you inspect the source code of the example scripts and execute them. So you get an

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
trim Well, the curricula have been customized to fit what the calculator can do, with encouragement towards the more upscale models that do some graphing and CAS (fractor equations, solve integrals...).  A lot of what passes for math in this day and age is just a glorified calculator, your

[Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
Hi Brian, I think I have a counterexample. Run the script, that you can find here: http://svn.python.org/view/*checkout*/python/branches/release26-maint/Demo/turtle/tdemo_chaos.py?revision=73559content-type=text%2Fplain (or below.) Runs with Python 2.6 or later. It certainly could be

Re: [Edu-sig] Beautiful sample programs?

2009-09-28 Thread Helene Martin
Hi, Thanks for the suggestion -- I'm familiar with that project and have really enjoyed showing it off to the students. It's a really great package. What I'm looking for is more of a 'real-world' example. I know students at some point get burned out looking at and creating nifty programs for

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb: Hi Brian, This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009, 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few). Note:  if this level of chaos / noise bothers you (the functions are

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb: Hi Brian, This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009, 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread Charles Cossé
Yup, similar experience here. And graphing calculators have now been promoted to the point where their importance is probably no longer questioned ... which is too bad ... There are many ways to graph python-generated computer data. I have dabbled with many, but for various reasons I continue

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/28 Brian Blais bbl...@bryant.edu: trim Just a month ago, a friend of mine who homeschools her children was asking me about graphing calculators.  Apparently the math curriculum she uses has a number of