Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-17 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote: report ~20 students simultaneously installing Ubuntu into a Virtualbox VM from 1 ubuntu iso file in /home. So each students VM loopback mounts that 1 iso file over nfs and installs to their own /home dir back over nfs

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-16 Thread Asmo Koskinen
15.11.2010 21:59, Jeff Wheeler kirjoitti: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/DRBL_LTSP/DRBL/02.png Thanks, this is rather interesting. :) For VDPAU (Lucid) you need some extra sources for fat client. Both DRBL and LTSP needs this. ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ppa ppa:rvm/mplayer With LTSP you can use

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-16 Thread Jim Christiansen
Thanks Asmo, I'm not running ltsp-fat lients or local apps. We will be trying this out, too, very soon now. Thanks for the links you sent out about setting up fat clients and ltsp. We can't afford gig switches in our school. Do you know how well fat clients will work with 100 megabit

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-16 Thread Todd O'Bryan
fat-clients should work better with less network connectivity, once they've downloaded the image. They don't need to send video back and forth over the network constantly. (At least, I think that's right...) Todd On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jim Christiansen jim.c.christian...@gmail.com

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-16 Thread asmo . koskinen
fat-clients should work better with less network connectivity, once they've downloaded the image. They don't need to send video back and forth over the network constantly. (At least, I think that's right...) Yes. Ltsp fat-client is good for network and for server. There is no need for

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-16 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info wrote: 15.11.2010 21:59, Jeff Wheeler kirjoitti: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/DRBL_LTSP/DRBL/02.png Thanks, this is rather interesting. :) For VDPAU (Lucid) you need some extra sources for fat client. Both DRBL

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-15 Thread Asmo Koskinen
12.11.2010 18:07, Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: 12.11.2010 17:06, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) kirjoitti: I find it interesting, we had some DRBL discussion quite a while back, and I'm interested in all the renewed enthusiasm around it. In particular, I'd like to find out more about what DRBL

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-15 Thread Jeff Wheeler
asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrites: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/DRBL_LTSP/DRBL/02.png Thanks, this is rather interesting. :) --- Jeff Wheeler, Director Information Services/HermonNet Hermon School District, PO Box 6360 Hermon, ME 04401 Tel. (207)

Netlive for: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 12:34:29 PM -0800, Robert Arkiletian (rob...@gmail.com) wrote: In my opinion, the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different reasons. 1) hardware is so cheap now. You can buy a brand new power efficient and fast desktop system for about $200 (not including

Re: Netlive for: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:57 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 12:34:29 PM -0800, Robert Arkiletian (rob...@gmail.com) wrote: In my opinion, the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different  reasons. I kind of regret putting it that way. How I really feel

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread Asmo Koskinen
12.11.2010 18:07, Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: So let's find out what DRBL or LTSP can do with it or with much more powerful machine like Duo Core Atom/ION. I can use this weekend and few days in next week for testing. I have now both DRBL and LTSP setup. Both setup uses two NICs. NAT and local

Re: Netlive for: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 10:22:36 AM -0800, Robert Arkiletian (rob...@gmail.com) wrote: Netlive looks very interesting. Especially for almost zero setup time. A live distro that serves out another live distro. Well done. DRBL does something similar, you guys may be able to collaborate with them.

VS: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread Jarkko Joensuu
Hi Asmo, DRBL uses fat client. LTSP is capable both thin and fat. Which one you have in ltsp test environment? -- Jarkko 12.11.2010 18:07, Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: So let's find out what DRBL or LTSP can do with it or with much more powerful machine like Duo Core Atom/ION. I can use this

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-13 Thread Asmo Koskinen
13.11.2010 23:28, Jarkko Joensuu kirjoitti: DRBL uses fat client. LTSP is capable both thin and fat. Which one you have in ltsp test environment? Fat. Of course there is thin, too. sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot i386-fat --fat-client --fat-client-desktop ubuntu-desktop

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Asmo Koskinen
09.11.2010 10:01, Odin Nøsen kirjoitti: Go DRBL! :-) I have about 100 HP t5xxx 'real' thin clients. I have to stick with LTSP. But I tested first(!) time DRBL after reading these messages. DRBL is great for new powerful hardware, indeed. Here is HP Mini 2133 as a 'Fat Client' for DRBL. Login

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Odin Nøsen
Odin - tell me. How did you build system of DRBL and LTSP in same network? Some guidelines? Oh... it's not really that difficult - but it is a bit hacky. We have a central 389DS that authenticates all users (LDAP) and a central DHCP-server that controls whether clients are LTSP or DRBL. The

VS: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Jarkko Joensuu
. marraskuuta 2010 11:22 Vastaanottaja: edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Aihe: Re: Life after LTSP 09.11.2010 10:01, Odin Nøsen kirjoitti: Go DRBL! :-) I have about 100 HP t5xxx 'real' thin clients. I have to stick with LTSP. But I tested first(!) time DRBL after reading these messages. DRBL is great

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Asmo Koskinen
12.11.2010 11:21, Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: Here is HP Mini 2133 as a 'Fat Client' for DRBL. Login is by OpenLDAP ('ltsp001'). http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/DRBL/drbl.ogg Here is Atom/ION as a 'Fat Client' for DRBL. Login is by OpenLDAP ('ltsp001'). Monitor is Samsung FullHD TV.

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Charl These are all good questions, I'll try to respond from them from my point of view... On 11/11/2010 23:00, Charl Wentzel wrote: 1. Is Edubuntu = education software? This was the obvious starting point, delivering FOSS eductional software to kids/schools. Is this big enough. It seems

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Asmo On 12/11/2010 09:47, Asmo Koskinen wrote: Same hardware in LTSP needs more to do ( + Local Apps): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AtomIon This discussion about DRBL and LTSP is very, very freshing. I find it interesting, we had some DRBL discussion quite a while back,

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Asmo Koskinen
12.11.2010 17:06, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) kirjoitti: I find it interesting, we had some DRBL discussion quite a while back, and I'm interested in all the renewed enthusiasm around it. In particular, I'd like to find out more about what DRBL offers that ltsp-build-client --fat-client

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-12 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info wrote: Odin - tell me. How did you build system of DRBL and LTSP in same network? Some guidelines? Asmo, Maybe this thread might help http://old.nabble.com/DRBL-with-LTSP-td29915400.html -- Robert Arkiletian Eric

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-11 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) jonat...@ubuntu.com wrote: Either way, cheap devices are certainly going to change things eventually. Everyone's walking with more and more powerful computers in their pockets. All that they might need is a bigger keyboard and

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-11 Thread Intense Red
This is a fascinating discussion -- kudos. It brings up the question: what about kids that can't afford their own laptops? To me, considering the fact that the gov't is getting ready to slash every social program from social security to Medicaid, given the history of how poor

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-11 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote: This is a fascinating discussion -- kudos. It brings up the question: what about kids that can't afford their own laptops? There is another interesting option. Bootable USB sticks loaded with open source

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-11 Thread Charl Wentzel
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 20:20 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: There is another interesting option. Bootable USB sticks loaded with open source software. It's interesting how the world has changed and how we need to adapt to this. For most projects it means thinking at a different level,

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-09 Thread Odin Nøsen
I agree with Robert. We had 800 LTSP clients at our school, and are now moving them over to DRBL. But we are going to do both systems for a while. DRBL is good for the new used machines with 1GB RAM and P4 1Ghz CPU. We can also use old used machines from the local companies with LTSP that they

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-09 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Robert On 08/11/2010 15:34, Robert Arkiletian wrote: In my opinion, the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different reasons. 1) hardware is so cheap now. You can buy a brand new power efficient and fast desktop system for about $200 (not including monitor). Thin clients are

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-09 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Jordan Erickson jerick...@logicalnetworking.net wrote: Robert, I agree with you on your points, but I think you're missing a couple of things in regard to the bigger picture - 1) Thin

Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Robert Arkiletian
In my opinion, the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different reasons. 1) hardware is so cheap now. You can buy a brand new power efficient and fast desktop system for about $200 (not including monitor). Thin clients are actually *more* expensive now. 2) programs like flash and java based

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinion,  the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different reasons. 1) hardware is so cheap now. You can buy a brand new power efficient and fast  desktop system for about $200 (not including monitor).  Thin

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Belinda Lopez
You would be surprised how many requests for thin-client type systems I'm seeing on the horizon. Thin-clients are a very viable solution for both developed and developing countries. In developed countries it's an easy way to implement a campus wide computing solution at a low cost. In

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Jordan Erickson
Robert, I agree with you on your points, but I think you're missing a couple of things in regard to the bigger picture - 1) Thin clients run at 8-30W of power. Your version of a power efficient and fast desktop system will consume much more than the average thin client, even if the box says

RE: Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Lee Harr
In my opinion, the days of LTSP are numbered. For a few different reasons. I've been using LTSP for years with great success in my small lab, but I have been eyeing a system like this for a while: http://www.userful.com/ (It's a single computer with multiple video cards, multiple keyboards,

Re: Life after LTSP

2010-11-08 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Jordan Erickson jerick...@logicalnetworking.net wrote: Robert, I agree with you on your points, but I think you're missing a couple of things in regard to the bigger picture - 1) Thin clients run at 8-30W of power. Your version of a power efficient and fast