Sure, but we're not using American Morse here - there's no half step
in International Morse. Whatever - I'm the communications protocol
design guy at work, and can't avoid a purist attitude about gateways
(CW to ASCII in this case). I can see prosigns used as link control
characters since they are
For half a century at least (the time I've been pounding brass) ES sent as a
word (not a prosign - it gets the inter-character space) has meant and on
the Amateur circuits and in informal communications on many commercial
circuits I've happened to use from time to time.
The challenge for those
In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote ...
Rather quiet on here right now - I wonder what everybody is doing?
We're all practising our CW in readiness for our K3s to arrive. It's
good to see conditions on the bands are improving after a bad summer.
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principle of least surprise - is es is a word in other languages
es means it in German.
Es ist schön = It is beautiful.
vy 73 de toby
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I'm glad you're not in charge, then.:) Some (many?) of us only have
cheap, slow home inkjet printers that use very expensive ink
cartridges and it would take a long time and be prohibitively
expensive to print off a manual. And I don't want to turn on a
computer every time I want to look up
I don't agree. Printing it yourself for most people would take a long
time, cost more than a mass-reproduced manual, use twice as much paper
(most hams don't have office-type printers that will print on both
sides) and not be bound.
Nor would updating be any easier unless the manual was
This from Lisa when I ordered my K3:
Following are the codes we use for all of our amateur radio equipment we
ship to the UK. We have been instructed to use these codes so that our
customers do not have to pay duty, only VAT.
We can certainly put for educational purposes on the form also if you
Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu) double
sided from the same pdf file? This saves a lot of paper and weight. This is
booklet printing and not easy from home. Additionally, would a shortened
version giving only operational requirements be much of a saving?
Elecrafters,
my TS-850 has an output for hooking a transverter to the rx-path.
You can also hook up the Rx-ant input from the K2.
This is great for listening on 2 freqs simultaneously with a K2
connected . One ear hears the K2, the other ear hears the TS-850.
There is no danger to transmit
Hi David:
Adobe Reader (Don't know about other PDF readers) has a print scaling
option to Fit to Printable Area which is determined by whatever size
paper you have selected. So I guess the answer to your question is
yes, it is possible.
73, Ken K3IU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a
The assembly manual is not part of the operating manual, its a separate
manual. If you mean omitting the Theory Of Operation, then just don't print
all the pages?
On 11/10/07 10:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Is there a possibility of printing onto small format (A5 in the Eu)
In a message dated 10/11/07 4:20:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(most hams don't have office-type printers that will print on both
sides)
I don't know any printer that won't print on both sides. Of course it may
take two passes through the printer, but that's why
The manual says: Do not use a cable wired for use with an Elecraft K2
or K2/100 transceiver or accessories. They may be wired differently.
As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire
cable, to which I added a transistor switch driven by DTR or RTS
(can't remember which)
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire
cable,
Yes, but the K3 is wired differently.
On the K3, pin 2 is RXD and pin 3 is TXD
On the K2, pin 2 is TXD and pin 3 is RXD
Also, some K2 serial cables use additional
I've read many of the messages about the K3 so far. My interest is ssb only
and its receive capabilities. To sum it all up: From the ones who have
tested the rig in the field, how does the K3 do on ssb and taking out the
qrm on 75 meters each evening? Is it advisable to get the 2.8, 2.1 and 1.0
As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire
cable, ... What is the point that I am missing?
If your K2 cable had only three wires, signal ground, send data and
receive data, there is no _major_ difference. Just the 'normal' pin
2/3 confusion. Some K2 cables include the
On 10/11/07, Mark Bayern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If your K2 cable had only three wires, signal ground, send data and
receive data, there is no _major_ difference.
Big difference. Send Data and Receive Data on the K3 are opposite
that of the K2.
(According to the K3 web manual)
--
JT
Ah. I never realised that the pins were reversed. What a pity you
can't just swap the cable between radios.
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On 10/11/07, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but the K3 is wired
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote:
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire
cable,
Yes, but the K3 is wired differently.
I remember all sorts of cautions about NOT using a standard rs-232(serial) cable
with
I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to DIG 0
which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using
search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this?
I'm also interested in how this modulation is achieved. Years ago, I
operated RTTY with an FT-301 using
On 10/11/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable for the k3, that we
can use a standard serial cable with the K3?
Yes, as long as it is a straight through cable. From the manual:
A straight-through, 9-pin RS232 cable is required
A complete manual comes with the K3.
After orientation and familiarization
with the rig, it seems to me only a few
pages would be needed for reference,
like pages 49-53 and maybe 5-6. No big
deal to print 7 pages.
GL to all.
de Joe, aa4nn (2nd run factory asmby)
Big difference. Send Data and Receive Data on the K3 are opposite
that of the K2.
Big difference? I said 'no _major_ difference'. Crossing pins 23
will not destroy anything. Since the beginning of time ... well ... at
least since the beginning of DTE and DCE RS-232 devices, pins 23 have
been
Personally I'd call that a major difference, too. Not as major as
blowing the radio up, granted, but major enough for me to think
something was wrong other than the pins were the other way round.
Somehow I never imagined Elecraft would create incompatible interfaces
for its two radios.
Anyway,
Does it noow mean that in addition to not using a k2 cable
for the k3, that we can use a standard serial cable with the K3?
Yes, a standard serial cable available at any computer outlet. Standard,
not Null Modem.
73,
Ed - W0YK
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The downside being that ready made cables usually have molded-on
plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside.
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On 10/11/07, Ed Muns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it noow mean that
The K3 Manual has been flogged.
The RS232 cable has been whipped.
What's next, fellers?
de Joe, aa4nn
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I'm reading Data Modes on page 28. There are two references to DIG 0
which can be used for direct modulation, which I cannot find (using
search) anywhere else in the manual. What input is this?
In FSK mode, this input is the FSK keying line from your FSK TNC or FSK
computer software, e.g.
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The downside being that ready made cables usually have molded-on
plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside.
You don't need to. The K3 is wired for DTS and RTS keying, see page
18 of the web manual:
PTT and Keying: The DTR and RTS
Thank you. And to mention the concerns of others, I agree this would be
a good idea only if it can be enabled/disabled or if it can be reliably
distinguished from the letter sequence es via the half space.
73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 9:53 pm, wayne burdick wrote:
On Oct 10, 2007, at
On 10/11/07, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't need to. The K3 is wired for DTS and RTS keying, see page
18 of the web manual:
I should have said DTR not DTS, my bad.
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The downside being that ready made cables usually have
molded-on plugs, so you can't fit a keying circuit inside.
No, there is no need for a keying circuit or level shifter with the K3.
It is RS232 levels on both the computer and K3 ends. Furthermore, the
CONFIG menu lets you choose which
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Joe, aa4nn wrote:
The K3 Manual has been flogged.
The RS232 cable has been whipped.
What's next, fellers?
Asking about the next flogging, of course.
And for those that care to discuss things without treading of the toes of varios
folks...there's a venue at
On 10/11/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And for those that care to discuss things without treading of the toes of
varios
folks...there's a venue at www.zerobeat.net/smf/
Thom is so 31337. :-D
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Folks,
On ALL postings that refer to a specific radio or product, please
include [K3], [K2], [KX1], [XV] as the first item on your subject line.
This will really help everyone sort through the list email.
Thanks!
73, Eric WA6HHQ
Elecraft list moderator and company bottle washer.. ;-)
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Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
To avoid the questions I am receiving by email, here's the Ham Radio
Deluxe and K3 support status.
The programming information is not yet published but will be similar to
the K2 / Kenwood which makes life easy for me. As soon as I get my first
wave K3 I'll screw
Let's end this thread for now.
We are shipping printed manuals in the box with every K3.
73, Eric WA6HHQ
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Julian G4ILO wrote:
I don't agree. Printing it yourself for most people would take a long
time, cost more than a mass-reproduced manual, use twice as much paper
(most hams don't
hehe.. I expect we'll see quite a bit of flogging over the next few months. :-
I found the manual to be very well done. It is well written, coherent and
very easy to understand. Everything makes sense. Kudos to those that worked on
it.
I can't believe people are whining about the
Andy
I did a quick Google and found the company is just one state south of me
(I'm in Wyoming) and gave them a phone call this morning and talked to
Nancy. She was surprised to hear you were being blanked...but given the
vagaries of the web, who knows. I gave her your direct email
Yes, You can use a standard serial cable with the K3.
-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009
On Thu Oct 11 8:47 , Thom LaCosta sent:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote:
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I remember, the K2
DIG0-IN is pin 1 on the ACCY connection. This is where you would connect your
FSK
keying line for direct FSK with the K3. This should also be the same line for
direct
keying of PSK if you decide to use that. I think most folks will use DATA-A
for PSK
when using a soundcard program. PSK-D
Hi Larry:
At 07:27 10/11/2007, Larry Maguire wrote:
I've read many of the messages about the K3 so far. My interest is ssb only
and its receive capabilities. To sum it all up: From the ones who have
tested the rig in the field, how does the K3 do on ssb and taking out the
qrm on 75 meters each
Ah. In the table on page 18 that pin is called FSK IN. Those of us who
get lost following a signal around multi-page schematics would never
have figured it out, though I suppose it would be a good guess from
the description. But then I don't always understand what *is*
explained clearly in the
JT and all,
Pins 2 and 3 are not swapped on the K2 either. The problem is that the
K2 used the nomenclature differently than the K3. The K2 used 'TXD' to
denote the line *it* was sending on and 'RXD' to denote the line it was
receiving on. The K3 apparently uses the opposite nomenclature
I had a typo in the last part of my previous note. That should have
been *K3*.
Do *not* use a standard serial cable with the K2!
Sorry,
Don W3FPR
Don Wilhelm wrote:
So *if* only RXD and TXD with Signal Ground are needed for the
application, yes, the K2 cable (computer end, not KAT100 or XV
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:47:18AM -0400, Thom LaCosta wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, JT Croteau wrote:
On 10/11/07, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I remember, the K2 serial cable was just a standard 3 wire
cable,
Yes, but the K3 is wired differently.
I remember all sorts
Hi guys,
Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder...
mentions both page 16 and 26. There is nothing on page 26 for this
topic that I can see and I am not sure why the page 16 reference when
you are on page 16 to begin with :-)
There is another mention of page 26 in the section below it too.
I was talking to a friend on the phone tonight and he came up with a
K3 question .
How many dB of isolation are there between the main antenna ports and
the RX antenna ports? I ask because on my current radio (an Omni VI),
the noise floor when listening on my 'aux' antenna is raised when my
Ian:
At 11:21 10/11/2007, Ian J Maude wrote:
Hi guys,
Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder...
mentions both page 16 and 26. There is nothing on page 26 for this
topic that I can see and I am not sure why the page 16 reference
when you are on page 16 to begin with :-)
There is another
I found that too, but decided to wait until I have the rig before I asked
questions that might be answered by having it in front of me.
Also, KVDR3 will not be available until Nov anyway.
On 11/10/07 17:21, Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Hi guys,
Page 16, Digital Voice/Audio Recorder...
International Morse code does not use certain half spaces like the
American Morse code does. However there are still half spaces in well
formed code in certain prowords such as DE and ES. If you send them
without the half space they don't mean the same thing. Therefore you can
sense
Hi all,
the question of giving a manual on a CD is generally
supported by people producing the manual but not
reading it.
The phrase .. we do not like to cut trees... is
usually an excuse we can use recycled paper.
I am one of those tha still like to read a paper book
anywhere when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I need some enlightenment. In reading the FAQ's concerning the
AGC parameters of the K3, I found the following discussion:
Are the settings variable in terms of attack, hang, and decay? In
the menu, you can set the following parameters for AGC: Attack time,
Hello All,
There was a thread about soldering PL-259 connectors. I usually do a
modification to all mine by taking a 5/32 chainsaw file and filing grooves
in two of the solder holes for the braid on opposite sides of the connector
barrel. It makes soldering the braid M UCH easier and
Not rec any postings since 10/9. Checkd with my ISP and they say problem is
with QTH.net
Phil
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Stewart Rolfe wrote: (without reading the FAQ)
...and also was wondering if there is a variable delay function to
adjust the timing between Key Out switching the amp and the K3
squirting out RF?
73,
Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
Doh.the FAQ says
The variable delay is a feature that will
Hi Greg and the List,
Thanks for your comment. But...
AGC parameter control is a major issue for some of us. It represents a
major deviation form what was discussed initially in the FAQ's.
I'm sure its lack discussion in light of the change and the million
things going on was an oversight
G'day,
Is the K3 rear panel mounted ACC connector a socket (holes) or a plug
(pins). Is the corresponding mating connector provided as part of the
kit?
Regards,
Mike VP8NO
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Don Rasmussen wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but I bought K3 based on being able to
adjust these (5) things.
Don,
It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's
trivial to add them back in, but debatable as to whether it's a good
idea. I'm open to discussion.
To stick my 2p worth in here and not that I'm knowledgeable about this or
want to change them, but ...
Could you put in a config menu item that turns on/off the possibility of
changing them, so default state is off and it uses your settings Wayne.
If the state is changed to on, another 4 menu
David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
Could you put in a config menu item that turns on/off the possibility
of
changing them, so default state is off and it uses your settings Wayne.
There are various possibilities for the user interface, David; this is
one of them.
But first I'd like to
Still wondering about the TXInhibit feature though and whether (A) it's
a normal feature of most transceivers and (B) is it a useful feature for
modern amps like the Acom when wishing to operate CW/ full QSK? 73,
Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
This is a useful feature if your transceiver's RF output
Hi Wayne,
As -always- thanks so much for listening.
This is not a trivial issue for me, it's the glue
that brings all the other aspects of the transceiver
into line.
Here's the list in priority order, what I'm looking
for in a flexible AGC:
1. Slope - I want S9 CW signals to sound stronger
If a radio has proper Key-Out before RF sequencing, like the K3 and K2
do, this is NOT necessary. We have no problem running with relay based
amplifiers, including those with large, slow relays, like the SB-220 etc.
A few radios out there have a TX loop feature, but most others do not.
Its
I can understand where Wayne is coming from- bad eHam reviews are sure
to follow if people who don't know how to use these controls are given
access to them.
Scott, N9AA
wayne burdick wrote:
Don,
It was my decision to remove them, for the reasons given below. It's
trivial to add them back
Would like to know if the adjustable transmit DSP bandpass
is on the short list for inclusion in the menu. (Maybe I missed
it in the manual?)
I plan to use a narrow tx bandpass (400Hz to 2.6kHz) to have
maximum power concentrated where many receivers have
their effective receive passband. I'll
Everyone who sent me e-mail,
Many thanks for the interest! Mike WE0H posted it on his website.
Someone asked if a triangle file would work. NO. Use a common chainsaw
file for a regular consumer type chainsaw chain. You can get them at
hardware stores, sears, and probably WalMart.
here's
OK, if any of you first run goobers get your K3's this weekend, us
late birds expect a lot of input from you. hihi
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Wayne,
I read your reply to this thread with great consideration.
I think your observation that most field testers did not
adjust the AGC parameters is a good one.
However, I think that that K3--and the Elecraft product line
in general--particularly appeals to people who value amateur
I was cleaning out my parents home the other day and ran across my
father's Telex HTW-2A twinset headphones. He was a Pan American Captain
flying 727s and 707s at the end of his career. The twinset was the
favorite headset because it had good audio and was comfortable for long
hauls. But it is
N6KR:
2. Some combinations of settings can end up being very confusing,
except for the advanced and/or experimentally inclined operator who can
recognize the side effects. This has been endlessly played out on some
of our competitors' rigs. I had sought to avoid such difficulties once
it became
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This thread is a great example of Elecraft excellence. The changes in
user-adjustable AGC parameters were a result of the company remaining open
to feature details while they got customer feedback, primarily through field
test. Now that production units are shipping, a larger number of customers
Our 8 and TX EQ will allow you to do exactly this.
73, Eric WA6HHQ
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Ray Kiesel wrote:
Would like to know if the adjustable transmit DSP bandpass
is on the short list for inclusion in the menu. (Maybe I missed
it in the manual?)
I plan to use a narrow tx bandpass (400Hz to 2.6kHz) to have
.. 8 Band... :-)
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Our 8 and TX EQ will allow you to do exactly this.
73, Eric WA6HHQ
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Wayne,
I read your reply to this thread with great consideration.
I think your observation that most field testers did not
adjust the AGC parameters is a good one.
However, I think that that K3--and the Elecraft product line
in general--particularly appeals to people
We knew we'd get a lot of new feedback on firmware issues once we
released the manual.
After a huge amount of private e-mail and discussion today over the AGC
issue, I've concluded that some of the AGC controls should go back in.
They might not be available the instant you get your K3,
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