When I have my rig set for speaker+phones off with the monitor up I can
hear myself but it doesn't emit from the speaker. This is how I set EQ
settings and what not as it allows me to turn the monitor up louder
without producing feedback.
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 01:56 -0400, Bruce McLaughlin
Hi Jack,
I have a Beyer Dynamic DT109 headset. This is a professional headset used in
studios etc, and it is much more rugid than the flimsy Heil plastic toys
(Sorry for Heil, electrically and audio-wise they are fine, but mechanically
they simply fall apart after 2 years or so). I bought it in
Mike, just where are you?
Obviously not in AD country!
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 24 Aug 2008, at 19:12, AD6XY wrote:
Yes, conditions were poor, I could only hear a few of the stations
on and as
my noise level is very high it was not great fun. I called
My Heil full muff headset/mic broke (at the base of the mic boom) after its
23rd year of continuous ham service. Now for $45 plus shipping
I will get it brought back to full life via Heil Hospital.
Of course, I never threw it, nor sat on it.
I happily own the Pro Set Plus, the same for
Thank you to all that replied. I have enough information now!
73
Jack, W3TMZ
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not in my opinion!
de Doug KR2Q
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I have installed my KRX3 and have been trying to learn to use it
effectively, but seem to have something misadjusted somewhere. When
using diversity reception with a beverage on the main RX and a
receive 4-Square on the second RX using the BNC input, the audio in
my left ear (the Main RX)
Of course it is competition, in the popularity stakes if not in performance.
It may not have as good a receiver performance as the K3 but it looks very
good, the receiver is very probably quite good enough for many people and it
has a few popular features which are not yet available in the K3 -
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not in my opinion!
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Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and
didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial
If your PC has a open PCI slot there are high speed serial cards still
available. Think I paid $26 for the last one I purchased.
73 Matt
W5LL
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As I have mentioned before, I really enjoyed using the KX-1 on holiday in
Europe this year but found that there were several broadcast stations
appearing across 20m from about 14.20MHz upwards. I was using a roughly 5/8
wave vertical antenna with counterpoise and the internal ATU.
Is this normal
50 Hz and 100 Hz octave bands are VERY important -- they allow
equalization to correct for proximity effect in directional
microphones, and to reduce the effects of breath pop.
Jim (K9YC), what part of the 50 Hz spectrum will get by a 2.7 KHz roofing
filter at any equalization setting? At
Stephen -
Some of those SW BC stations are pretty strong - as in hundreds of KW.
It is possible that what you were hearing is the 2nd harmonic from these
stations operating in the 41-meter (7.10 - 7.35 MHz) Shortwave Broadcast
(SW BC) band.
Given a 100 KW transmitter, with 2nd harmonics
For all you fellow SMDer wannabees take a look at this site for some SMD
practice
material. http://www.jenrathbun.com/Electronics/Matrix.html
I have no connection to this site, just ran across it in surfing.
Russ, N3CO
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I don't think I will ever buy another Heil headset. My quiet phones plus were
cutting out anytime
the cable moved. So I took the phones apart and could not believe how cheaply
these things were
put together. The soldering of the wires to this little PCB looked like they
were done by a 5th
There must be something I am missing here. It seems the total function of I/II
is to go to some filter setting. With the NORM and XFIL buttons, I find this
to be of no use.
If, however, it were used to store TX audio profile also, then I could set up
for rag chew on one setting, and
Given a 100 KW transmitter, with 2nd harmonics 40 dB down
from the
fundamental (which would be considered reasonably good
suppression) is still 10 watts at the 2nd harmonic,
I'm not sure about Europe but the Amateur radio *minimum*
standard at HF for 1500 watts is about 45dB down for any
It IS in the instructions that our older boards had a wire which
needed to be cut
and that jumper is indeed partially hidden by the bandpass board,
That jumper's location could be better identified in the instructions,
as I recall it is to the rear of that jumper block, not in front of it
I couldn't agree more! This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M.
So what? It may be
nice for the casual operator not concerned with DXing or contesting and cannot
afford their 7700.
I don't know first hand, but I understand the scopes on this and the 7700 are
not real time.
Sigismonti Ronald wrote:
I have installed my KRX3 and have been trying to learn to use it
effectively, but seem to have something misadjusted somewhere. When
using diversity reception with a beverage on the main RX and a receive
4-Square on the second RX using the BNC input, the audio in my
Of course it is competition ( IC 7700 ), as some will buy it rather
than the K3.
It is however an apples and oranges comparison...
The 7700 has dual watch which is just like the 756PIII, much better
than no second receiverbut far far from a full second
receiver( it can't split the
Yep. The soldered jumper on the older boards is between the connector and
the KIO3 board. There's an arrow and callout in Figure 39 in the KRX3 manual
showing where it is.
Early on Wayne moved it to a plug-in jumper in the connector because it was
hard to get to the soldered jumper on the RF
I have the K2/100 with the KPA100 and KAT100 mounted in the separate EC2
enclosure. I would like to use the K2/10 in a portable situation
independently, leaving the 100 watt components here in the shack. I have no
concern with the uncabling part of the operation, but I am wondering if
there is
1502 arrived last Friday the 22nd and of course I was out of town! I got
back home yesterday and had it finished this morning. I have a lot to learn
but it sure seems to be a great rig.
K3/100 ordered 4/11/08 arrived 8/22/08
KAT3
MH2-R
It shows the firmware as version 02.24 which looks like
R. Kevin Stover wrote:
I've always considered a Serial to
USB adapter as a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going
to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used
and the quality of the driver.
Elecraft should have used USB ports.
I don't agree. By
If the price is in the $2000 range then it is competition for the K3.
Will it out perform a K3? Probably not, but for a lot of buyers getting
a full featured, well advertised rig from Ikensu just feels a lot safer
than getting something from a smaller company. True performance only
matters to
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
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Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and
didn't. USB ports for rig control.
I strongly disagree. I have a collection of devices that have USB ports
but are now effectively unusable because
nope, the jumper it is NOT between , as described in the manual
I sent this note to support :on July 16th,,,
the w4 jumper is NOT between the w4 jumper block and the Kio boards,
I kept looking to make certain i was looking at the w4
jumper(which I was)
and you do
Darwin, Keith wrote:
If the price is in the $2000 range . . .
With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near
$2000 (or $3000).
73,
Barry N1EU
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Bill,
More than 1500 K3 rigs, that 's a milestone! You have firmware version 2.24,
that is really new. It is newer than the old rusty beta 2.23 many of us use
at the moment hi!
73 's Steef PA2A
K2 4654
K3 1184
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:04:21 -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
Jim (K9YC), what part of the 50 Hz spectrum will get by a 2.7 KHz roofing
filter at any equalization setting? At least on my system I could put 50 Hz
at +16 dB gain and 50 Hz will still be down 20 dB. The DSP skirts put it
lower. I ask this
Rumor is that the 7600 is targeted to replace the Pro3 next
year. If that is the target market as indicated by the feature
set, I would exact a list price $4000 - $4500.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
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Just completed the installation of the Sub Rx in K3 325!
Very pleased to say all went well and it's working just fine. Need to learn
how to drive it now.
I'm very relieved to say the least that no problems were encountered and the
Config and DSP 2 update went without a hitch. It took me about
I have been told it will be in the $4000 range. Jim K4JAF
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Darwin, Keith wrote:
If the price is in the
Jim:
Very interesting discussion. For those of us who are mostly data mode
and CW operators and might make a handful of SSB contacts in a good
year, how should we go about adjusting the transmit frequency shaping
parameters? What do we measure and what do we tweak?
At one extreme would be
The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios
(except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
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I couldn't agree
Looking at the back of the IC-7600 I see that the standard CI-V connector is
still in place.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
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I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable
computer
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:09:06 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:
What do we measure and what do we tweak?
The best answer I can give is to suggest that you study (not just
read) the tutorial. Then study the sections of the K3 manual that
describe the equalization and the processing. Once you really
Jack Smith-6 wrote:
Looking at the audio output in monitor mode
with a spectrum analyzer misses parts of the audio chain ahead of the
transceiver.
Why would you miss any effects that were upstream of the monitor?
73,
Barry N1EU
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True story related to your comment below ... I worked my way through law
school in the 1970's as a transmitter engineer at a 50 KW AM directional
station in the Detroit market. The studio was 15 miles from the
transmitter, connected by main and backup broadcast quality telephone
lines.
One
Bad choice of words - what I was getting at is that you are looking at
the composite of the microphone and the transceiver's audio processing.
It would be useful to look at each separately. This suggests looking at
the microphone individually, into an audio spectrum analyzer and also
looking
That's good to hear if the jungle drums are correct.
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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
On Mon Aug 25 10:09 , Simon (HB9DRV) sent:
The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios
(except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used.
Simon Brown,
I like what Julian said here and I think he is spot on. I do not think it
would take much for the wizards at Elecraft to redesign the KIO3 to include
both...RS232 and a USB port. users could swap out one for the other and you
have USB port. That is so cool about the K3 and its modular
My thought is that the problem was caused by one or more of the natural
spurious responses of the KX-1's receiver, not by some harmonic or spur
generated by the BC transmitters themselves. BC transmitter harmonics might
also be generated and heard if you had a rusty bolt problem caused by say
It seems like something may be in the wind. References: K3/100
1502 came with FW 2.24 and Programmers Reference Manual, released on
08/12/2008, as Rev B5 on page 12, refers to [2.24]
All I can say is that the rest of us 1500 or so BETA TESTERS are
READY TO DOWNLOAD using our
Hi Geoff
Well, I left out perhaps the most important info in that I don't have the
problem on the same antenna with either the K2 or K3. I have mentioned the
knock that the KX-1 received. I have subsequently found that the knock has
broken the soldered joints holding both earth pins of the bnc
The 7600 looks absolutely fine.
Now, back to my K3.
73
Arie PA3A
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re: antiquated serial ports (hihihi)
well Intel and Microsoft declared them Legacy Ports in
their Motherboard build specification in 1998 and began
removing them from computers in 2002. Here we are so many
years later and the good old RS232 spec is still alive and
well :-)
ref:
At 02:47 PM 8/25/2008, Ken N9VV wrote:
re: antiquated serial ports (hihihi)
well Intel and Microsoft declared them Legacy Ports in
their Motherboard build specification in 1998
if THEY had their way we'd be buying new radios every 120 days.
Thanks goodness this is NOT the computer
Ken,
No need to change anything, just unplug the cables and go.
OTOH, if you are running on a small battery and want to extend its life
as long as possible, there are some menu settings like GRAPH=BAR and
OPT=PERF that can be changed to minimize current draw - those do not
have to be changed,
If you notice, the USB port is fixed there. The whole communications
interface area of the K3 can be update, modified, and changed as the
rig and firmware grows. Elecraft chose the RS232, as a port that so
many folks have used in the past.
If you listen to hams (like on this list) think
I use a PR40 with my K3/100. I have to set the mike gain to maximum (60)
in order to get the correct ALC readings and power output. Is this
normal or am I missing something in the menu structure?
Thanks
Richard W4WU
K2 5001
K3 865
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My apologies Bill. The soldered jumper was where I said it was on the Rev XD
(preproduction) board that I have.
Wayne said he was moving it to a plug-in wire jumper because it was too hard
to get to it with the KIO3 board in place, so I never considered the
possibility that it had been moved on
I use a PR40 with my K3/100. I have to set the mike gain to maximum (60)
in order to get the correct ALC readings and power output. Is this
normal or am I missing something in the menu structure?
For a dynamic mic, be sure BIAS is OFF. You may need to set MIC H|L to H.
73,
Lyle KK7P
I suspect the Elecraft would cooperate if someone were to endeavor to
provide a replacement KIO3 module with USB substituted for the serial
connection, as long as it looked like a serial port to the K3 and to
the computer OS (for software compatibility).
In fact, you could probably hack the
Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet
adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html
de Ken N9VV
David Wilburn wrote:
I would rather have a USB interface, and
possibly an Ethernet interface.
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Just completed the installation of the Sub Rx in K3 325!
Very pleased to say all went well and it's working just fine. Need to learn
how to drive it now.
I'm very relieved to say the least that no problems were encountered and the
Config and DSP 2 update went without a hitch. It took me about
It's really nice to see that Elecraft is clearly driving the market.
Great work Eric and Wayne and your outstanding staff!
73,
Doug
W6JD
I have been told it will be in the $4000 range. Jim K4JAF
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:31 AM
If you want some of the best money can buy I would suggest the AKG HSC271.
You can also get AKG's without microphone.
http://www.frontendaudio.com/AKG_HSC271_Headset_Microphone_p/-02781.htm
Are - LB3SA
KX1 - K2 - KX1
Jack Colson wrote:
The manual states that headphones having
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:15:08 -0400, Jack Colson wrote:
The manual states that headphones having aimpeadance of 16 ohms are
recommended.
Almost any reasonable pair of headphones will work just fine. Sony,
AKG, and Audio Technica are good brands widely available in the US.
Buy for comfort.
Ken N9VV-2 wrote:
Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet
adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html
de Ken N9VV
If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet.
But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in
HI Greg and all,
Just to clarify at bit, I wouldn't compare the 7600 as a IC-746 less 2m.
The 746 series rigs never had a real time bandscope, but the IC-756 Pro 3
and the 7700 are about as real as it gets. If I was going to compare the
7600, I would compare it to an enhanced Pro 3 or a 100
Hi Stephen,
It might help if you could identify the SW stations you're hearing,
and find out what frequency they're on. What you could be hearing is
a very strong signal on the receiver's image frequency, and the only
thing you could do would be to add more selectivity to the front end
to
Sorry to take up bandwidth here, but as there are some very knowledgable
folk on list I thought I would run this query.
I've been playing with a balanced feeder for my quad - DJ4VM driven
element cut for 20M.
I have 30M reflector. The impedance is very low on 30M and it does not
like the
In fact, you could probably hack the existing KIO3 module
relatively easily.
Yes ... replace the LT1039ACN and support components on the KIO3
main board with an FTDI FT232RQ and support components. Replace
the DB9 on the KIO3 DSUB/RS-232 board with the USB connector. The
real issue is
My thoughts exactly, although there are VCP drivers for the FT232R
available for W98/SE/ME, if unsupported. I've just been messing
about with computers (I did way to much back when, and it's not fun
any more) and drivers are being painful, as usual. I resent facing
scrapping a perfectly good bit
Interesting... 2.23 is still whats on the FTP server. Guess there
will probably be a release soon if that's what they're shipping.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Steef PA2A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
More than 1500 K3 rigs, that 's a milestone! You have firmware version 2.24,
that is
Yes, wonder when 2.24 will be posted? Seems as if it good enough to go on
the new K3s, it should be posted on the beta site. Jim K4JAF
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But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level
in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of
that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt
sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I
prefer it
On
Stephen and Ed,
I was thinking along those same lines. On 20 meters, the KX1 LO signal
is below the RF signal, so a strong BC station in the 4.1 to 4.3 MHz
range could push itself through and be heard on the upper end of the 20
meter band. If you have no stations on that part of the
John,
Your pair of 50 ohm coax lines has twice the loss of a single coax line
and the characteristic impedance is 100 ohms, so I would expect its loss
to be much greater than using the 450 ohm line with no lumped
transformers (the feedline itself will act as an impedance transformer,
and a
Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have
several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within
feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them
have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand
many do not have any
Being the not-so-proud owner of several pieces of once expensive but
now useless junk, I'm somewhat sensitive to future issues that might
prevent me from using hardware I purchased. In other words, the
DON'T upgrade or else mentality.
With the K3, the only potential weak link I see is the
I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
Utility
Dave,
That Win98SE surely has real serial ports. I strongly suggest that you
use one of the real serial ports. IIRC correctly (it has been years),
but the USB support in Win98SE was flaky at best - the situation did not
get much better until Win2k, and by then Win98 was fading into the
The thing is that if you put them in the rig when you head up to a
hilltop to get away from it all... Well you just brought it all with
you. :)
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:16 PM, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several
Don et al,
I tried COM1 and it works okay. COM4 works with K3 nd several other
programs okay including WL and MMTTY, N1MM, N3FJP but not K3 Utility at
this time.
COM4 shows up in device manager but not in K3 Utility PullDown Menu,
Doesn't even get to the driver situation..
Thanks for your
I'd bet dollars to donuts that if this board was redesigned that what
would happen is that an FTDI chip (or similar) would be dropped in and
put onto a board that replaced the KIO3. Guess what The USB to
UART converters are identical to that solution. The only difference
would be that you
Folks,
I just received a correction from a reliable source (Tom W8JI). The
loss in a parallel set of coaxial lines is not 2 times the loss for a
single line, but the same as a single line.
I believe my other points still hold true.
73,
Don W3FPR
Don Wilhelm wrote:
John,
Your pair of 50
Well I think I do. I bought a Vibroplex back in 1950 and got used to it.
I tried to go iambic in the mid 70s and failed, tried again with the K1 in 2003
(mode a). Using an iambic key is too many mistakes for me.
I optained an MK-33 Whiterook single lever key and it works well, but has no
I don't know to what extent or to what degree the tests of K3 firmware and DSP
upgrades must reach before being released for general use.
However, it is apparent to me with the numerous issues with NR and DSP that
more needs to be done before K3 software products are released for general use.
The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry. See
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM
When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
make this registry entry. That's what we're looking for.
Dick, K6KR
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If you read the achieves on this topic you will see that they use several
third parties to test the software upgrades. They also have official
releases and they have beta releases.
Bob Serwy - N9RS
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Ralph,
I do not have a single lever paddle for sale, but I suffer from similar
problems. If you cannot find a decent single lever paddle at a price
your ham budget can afford (the Bengali is outside my price range), I
suggest that you try one of the K1EL keyers in Ultimatic mode - it works
Since I was messing with computers, and I had everything to hand, I
just tried installing the Prolific drivers, from their website, on a
W98 machine that I'm configuring, and then the K3 download program.
It all worked as advertised, no problem, so it does work, at least
sometimes.
Just think, if
I test with a Win98 machine, two Windows XP SP3 machines, and a Windows
Vista SP1 machine.
Dick, K6KR
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Bob,
I can assure you that each released 'beta' firmware version has received
testing by the Firmware Test Team, and we are *not* the programmers.
Often times we are looking at a specific function that has been added,
but we also try to ring out the normal operation of the radio as well
Hi Ralph,
So any comments from Kent single lever key owners?
Does anyone want to sell one?
Does anyone in the US sell them?
I bought the Kent Single-Level paddle ($140) from HRO here in Denver a
few months ago. Having seen some discussion on this reflector I thought
I'd give it a try. I've
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, Dave W7DPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the
Take a look at N3ZN's single lever key:
http://www.n3znkeys.com/modelznSL.html
While the price might be a bit higher than you're looking at, his keys
are excellent quality and craftsmanship. I prefer my N3ZN iambic key
over the revered Profi sitting beside it in the shack. The Profi has
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