Dave,
OK, well I guess there are many different types of sw that generate
CW. The program I use allows you to write scripts for the Function
Keys on a computer or to merely type from the keyboard real-time. It
was written to support CW on eme so it has built in TR programmable
delay times
I obtained a brand-new calibrated 25H element for my Bird43 power
meter, today. I checked power out on my K3/10 set to 12.0w.
80m = 11w
40m = 11w
20m = 11.5w
15m = 11.5w
10m = 11.5w
all measurements into a Bird 25w coaxial termination
I assume running the Tx gain calib. at 5w will result in
Have to wait a few more days, I take it only the mcu can be updated (which I
have done) before the hardware is installed and then I can load;
P3f00_0102.bin
p3f01_0102.bin
p3f02_0102.bin
p3f03_0102.bin
p3f04_0102.bin
after the svga module has been fitted, which I guess makes sense as
First try at a post on the list. Please forgive any transgressions.
The link for MAC OS X gives an ERROR 404 message. Did not try any of the
others.
No hurry since it is not installed in the K3 just yet, but figured you might
want to know.
Tnx es 73
Rachel/AL7FI
There is no link in this message?
Op 13-3-2012 10:54, Rachel Runyan schreef:
First try at a post on the list. Please forgive any transgressions.
The link for MAC OS X gives an ERROR 404 message. Did not try any of the
others.
No hurry since it is not installed in the K3 just yet, but
Edward R. Cole wrote
I obtained a brand-new calibrated 25H element for my Bird43 power
meter, today. I checked power out on my K3/10 set to 12.0w.
80m = 11w
40m = 11w
20m = 11.5w
15m = 11.5w
10m = 11.5w
all measurements into a Bird 25w coaxial termination
Bird accuracy is +/-5% of
Hi Ed,
Is the 25H a new addition to the Bird product line, or did you have
it custom made.?
73!
Ken Kopp - K0PP
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote:
I obtained a brand-new calibrated 25H element for my Bird43 power
meter, today.
Haven't received my shipping notice yet from Elecraft on the P3SVGA, but I have
loaded FW 1.11 into the P3. (Did this with the old utility before I realized
there was a new one out.) and the P3 load went just fine even with the old
utility. However as expected, it would not recognize the new
I thought the latest P3 Utility for Windows was 1.3.9.2. I must be missing
something. Roy W4WFB
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Purchased this KPA100 already built and working from another amateur but
decided to keep my K2/10 as QRP only. Will include KPA100 upgrade kit, not
installed. $250 shipped, PayPal preferred (no fees).
Please contact off-list.
Thanks.
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for the information. I haven't received my shipping notice yet but
I'd thought I'd get prepared. I found a 12V, 1.25 amp wall wart in the junk
box that seems to work well with the P3 (less the SVGA card) so I'm hoping
that does the trick when I add the card.
73,
Mike K2MK
nr4c
I had a APP splitter under the table, so I used that to power the P3,
but the simplest would be to split off a pigtail from the APP connector
at the back of the K3, and use it to power the P3. And, besides, this
gives me a 12 volt line to power my LED light bar that mounts on the top
front
I have not had any experience using data modes in
low power radios. Will the KX3 be nearly as effective
using data modes as it will be using CW? From what I
read in the preliminary manual I guess it is possible to
connect a portable PC with data software to use the
data modes in addition to
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, David Stratton dstratt...@triad.rr.com wrote:
...Will the KX3 be nearly as effective
using data modes as it will be using CW?...
Dave, for miles-per-watt the king of the hill is JT-65HF. (However,
it's not a whole lot of fun IMHO) Theoretically one
I received my K3 today at 8:00am.
I took and hooked my laptop up to it and saved the new configuration file.
I thought I would try it as it came from the factory.
I was on 30 meters and heard a cw signal. I don't know much about cw,
between cw and a hole in the ground, I could tell you which one
What has been more effective for me than any DSP has been a Timewave ANC-4
noise cancelling unit. It constantly phases out any noise that happens upon
any HF frequency I operate. Once you have an adequate noise sense antenna
the only difficulty is learning how to use the device correctly. It
I'm trying a different approach to a workaround for this, and now I
have a macro programming question:
I can send keystrokes to the K3 via a macro like KY: HELLO. But
there's a catch. MixW formats its macros like this: CATCMD KY: HELLO
This sends the HELLO, but unfortunately the terminating ''
Can you add a semicolon between HELLO and ? If you send a KY HELLO;; to
the K3, the ; should be ignored as an invalid command.
Dick, K6KR
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It looks like there's a good opportunity here for a KX3 accessory that
Elecraft or some third party could make: a custom serial cable that plugs
into a serial port at the PC and terminates in plugs for PTT and key at the
KX3. The required circuitry could be built into the connector shell. You
I can't find the installation instructions for the P3SVGA on the web site.
I installed the latest firmware and utility for the P3 last night and noticed
that the utility now tries to start with two new baud rates before settling at
38400.
Where can I find an explanation of the use of the new
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote:
Can you add a semicolon between HELLO and ? ...
Got it! Thanks a lot, Dick. That works, and in fact the MixW parser
works too, so I can put variable names in the macro and have them
evaluated at runtime.
What is the progress on the KRC3 project if any?
Thanks,
73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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Try the P3 RS-232 menu selection and the firmware release notes file
available from the P3 Utility Help menu describes the new firmware version
changes.
The new firmware version and P3 Utility add two new speeds, 57,600 and
115,200 bps. The P3 Utility tries all the baud rates and settles on the
At the moment, the P3 can use these higher baud rates to more quickly
send bitmap screen captures to the host computer. The link between P3
and K3 maxes out at 38400 though.
73,
matt W6NIA
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:14:32 -0500, you wrote:
I can't find the installation instructions for the P3SVGA
Regarding the effectivity of the KX3 on SSB, I can relate the
effectivity of the K3/10 on SSB (equivalent RF power). I previously
thought I was running about 15w on 20m but with a new element for my
Bird43 I know that is was actually 11.5w. CW benefits from the
effective reduction in
Hi to all,
Downloaded the new P3 Version 1.11. All works fine except the REV LEV values
are not stored per band any more. The level is equal on each band.
Some wrong with my P3 or is it a bug?
Detlef / DK1KL
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Bill,
The 25H element was special-ordered thru Radiodan W7RF
mailto:rfpo...@radiodan.comrfpo...@radiodan.com,
who has the ability to run NBS traceable calibration, so with no
better reference, I am taking the readings on the new element as
accurate (and my standard for HF). A little late to
This question has been going around in my head
and I would like some feedback from Elecraft owners
for I have never had any Elecraft radio equipment.
Which is better to have a K3/100 kit or a KX3 with all
the options including the forthcoming 100 watt PA?
I'm assuming the cost will be about
Confirmed. This is a significant regression.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/13/2012 1:17 PM, Detlef Fischer wrote:
Hi to all,
Downloaded the new P3 Version 1.11. All works fine except the REV LEV values
are not stored per band any more. The level is equal on each band.
Some wrong with
Hi Tom,
KRC3? We do not have a product with that name in development.
What kind of product are you thinking of?
73,
Eric
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On 3/13/2012 9:29 AM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:
What is the progress on the KRC3 project if any?
Thanks,
73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
Detlef,
Maybe this got reset by the download? Please adjust by band as needed
then shut everything down. Turn it all back on and see if your
settings were retained.
Thanks
Greg
On 3/13/12, Detlef Fischer dk...@t-online.de wrote:
Hi to all,
Downloaded the new P3 Version 1.11. All works
I don't have, nor have seen, the KX3. But from what I read it looks
more like competition for the K2. In the basic 10W version (ie without
a 100W external PA) the KX3 looks good to take with you on holiday,
camping trips etc. A KX3 will take up a lot less space in your hand
luggage than the K2 and
Greg,
Not the case ... setting level on one band then changing bands results
in the new level on all bands. Not a good situation when the noise
floor varies from -140 dBm on 50 MHz to nearly 100 dBm or more on 1.8
MHz.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/13/2012 1:48 PM, Greg wrote:
Detlef,
Maybe
Thank you!
I thought mine was broken.
73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:17:55 +0100, Detlef Fischer dk...@t-online.de wrote:
Hi to all,
Downloaded the new P3 Version 1.11. All works fine except the REV LEV values
are not
David, I don't have a KX3, but I do have a K3, a TS-480, a TS-850SAT and a
TS-440. I depends on what you want to do. If you want to set up a base
station for general purpose operation and DX I would buy the K3/100 and if
possible include the second receiver and the KAT-3. If your primary
OK. Thanks for the confirmation Joe.
On 3/13/12, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:
Greg,
Not the case ... setting level on one band then changing bands results
in the new level on all bands. Not a good situation when the noise
floor varies from -140 dBm on 50 MHz to nearly 100 dBm
No, definitely a new problem in firmware 1.11 ... 1.10 is fine.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/13/2012 2:04 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:
Thank you!
I thought mine was broken.
73,
Tom
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:17:55 +0100,
No problem Tom.
The KRC2 works perfectly with the K3 too.
73,
Eric
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On 3/13/2012 10:59 AM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:
I'm sorry Eric. I thought at one time there was talk about having a newer
version of the KRC2. I must have misunderstood.
Tom, N5GE
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012
Hi
Today, I installed the new P3 Utility program 1.12.3.11 the new Firmware
01.11 in readyness for my P3SVGA and now find that if the P3 is on, the K3
no longer communicates its frequency etc with my Microham MicrokeyerII
software or with N1MM contest software.
Switching off the P3 immediately
I decided to purchase from one of our reflector colleagues the Remoterig. I do
have a mix of excitement with the thought that even after all these months I
gave up too easy.
In the end, I wanted something that a caveman could use. I hope that this
caveman can get it rolling in next weekend or
How do you know that the Bird measurement is actually 11.5 watts? The accuracy
claimed by Bird for a new element is +/- 5% of full scale. If you have a 50
watt element your reading is between 9 and 14 watts. If you have a 100 watt
element it is between 6.5 and 16.5 watts.
Willis 'Cookie'
Yes, it sure does.
I have the KRC2 and use it with my K3. I purchased an Ameritron RCS-8v 5
port remote antenna switch and just paralleled the control box with the
KRC2. It is so nice not having to worry about what antenna you are on. It is
totally automatic.
73's
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
North Coast
I think he stated earlier that he was using a freshly calibrated 25H
element.
73,
-Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com
On 03/13/2012 12:24 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
How do you know that the Bird measurement is actually 11.5 watts? The
accuracy claimed by Bird for a new element is +/- 5% of full
If you have questions, call or email our tech support team and ask for
Brandon. He's our K3Remote and Remoterig support expert. We'll get you
up and running :-)
73,
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On 3/13/2012 11:21 AM, Keith Heimbold wrote:
I decided to
A tuff question.
First, what are you going to so with the radio?
Second, the cost will most definately NOT be the same.
The K3 as a full featured contest radio capable of suporting multi
roofing filters, has a built-in 100 W PA and an ATU with two ant
outputs/inputs. It can be configfured
Keith,
this here caveman got it rolling in a day, for the basic set up, and
about half a day more to get the rotor and such working remotely.
It took a few questions on this and the RemoteRig reflectors, but then I
admit to caveman status... YMMV.
Good luck let us know how it goes for you.
Since Bird does not advertise a 25H, I don't know what that is and as far as I
know they have never made a 25 watt element that is for HF. They do make a
25A,B,C,D E which cover 25 to 1000 mHz in 5 bands, but the lowest element for
HF is the 50H. A 25H would imply a 25 watt 2-30 mHz element
Yes, Ed did make that statement BUT ---
The freshly calibrated slug does not make any difference - read and
understand the specification correctly - the accuracy is speced at +/-
5% OF FULL SCALE right after calibration. So the error with that slug
is 1.25 watts - and that applies anywhere
I think the frequency range being discussed is MHz not mHz.
Regards,
Mike VP8NO
On 13/03/2012 15:51, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
Since Bird does not advertise a 25H, I don't know what that is and as far as
I know they have never made a 25 watt element that is for HF. They do make a
25A,B,C,DE
Additional thoughts:
I do not have digital modes (aside from CW) operational yet; it should
be possible, but it is low priority for me right now.
the forum is here: http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php, and there
is the yahoo group (not a lot of activity; most seems to be on the
forum) as
The only place I see the KX3 having an advantage is where size is an
absolute priority, such as for portable use. For all other applications
I can think of it is my opinion that the K3 beats the KX3.
73,
Dave AB7E
On 3/13/2012 10:33 AM, David Stratton wrote:
This question has been
There are a 25H elements in existence -- just google bird 25H.
Here's a couple:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370381238917
http://www.chuckmartin.com/search/25H
I think that bird does not stock them but will be happy to make them on
demand. Certainly, they have made a lot of them in the past.
Does anyone else have a similar problem? Is there a software glitch
in the new Firmware?
Make sure the P3 is still set for 38,400 bps. There are two new speeds
in the P3 protocol and microHAM Router (as well as most applications)
can not handle the speed change between 57600/11500 when the
For reference purposes, when Ed checks into the SSB net with me, I usually
have my 2-el Quad pointed east, broadside to his direction (north). I
usually hear him OK at his 12+/- watts.
Phil, NS7P
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Thanks Eric and Dave. I am so stoked to get it going.
Keith
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Alaska is easy copy for me as well as Phil, who is located further south
of me in Oregon. My doublet, which runs N-S, is in an inverted V
configuration which does help 'round out' its reception pattern. I am
not sure why but QRP signals from Palmer are normally strong. Juneau
was
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Keith Heimbold ag...@hotmail.com wrote:
...I wanted something that a caveman could use...
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Generally speaking, cavemen have always had to operate remote, except
for a fortunate few whose cave was particularly well situated for
antenna installation.
Tony
Hi All,
I have Remote Rig working using the K3 twin mode, works just as if I was
sitting in the shack at home, the control end is in my office at work.
I use TightVNC, a free remote desktop application to run the rotor, change
bands on the Steppir and switch antennas. Now I need an
Hi Dave,
Yes, it's called the KPA Utility, and you can get it from
http://www.elecraft.com/KPA500/kpa500_software.htm
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Dave Anderson, K4SV davek...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi All,
I have Remote Rig working using the K3 twin mode, works just as
Seems like someone posted a KDSP2 kit for sale
a few days ago
At any rate, I'm looking for a KDSP2, preferably
in kit form.
73!
Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Just because the KX3 is small and light does not mean it would not be an ideal
home rig.
Most of the subscribers to this email list appear to be pretty serious,
competent, first class operators who are able to take full advantage of the
features and abilities of the K3. The other 99.95% of the
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your invaluable help!
After re-setting the C22 to its mid-point position I have done all the
basic alignment steps in Part II of the Manual.
PLL reference oscillator range, VCO test, VCO alignment and voltage
readings, BFO range: all within specified ranges.
After CAL FIL
I am waiting on my K3 kit to arrive (Friday?). While I wait, I am doing a
little setup for the K3on my station. My mic is a studio mic so it's always
hot. I also feed audio from my PC to theback of the K3 (line in). The
computer controls a relay which will key the radio when neededvia the PTT
Hi Don,
I was using SSB mode to set C22. My CW sidetone was set to 600Hz.
After all, after re-setting C22 to its mid-point position I have done all
the basic alignment steps from Part II of the Manual and done CAL FIL and
CAL PLL and the problem was resolved.
Thanks for your help guys!
73,
don't feel slighted Jeff,
I never received a reply to the same question either.
K5OAI
On 3/12/2012 5:57 PM, Jeff Strube wrote:
Will the KAT500 have a similar power/SWR display then the W2? Also, will
there be support to read the power/swr in software like the W2? It would be
killer if the
My radio needs are very modest for I am not a contester,
or DXer, or even one who makes a lot of contacts but I
do listen quite a bit. I do like to have a fine radio and
presently own one - the Kenwood TS-830S. I have no
intention of parting with it. As far as modes go I operate
HF
Detlef,
We've been able to duplicate this in-house at Elecraft and are working on a
solution. From what I can see, it only occurs when the P3 is in fixed tune
mode. As soon as new firmware is available, I will put it up for
distribution.
73,
Paul (n6hz)
Detlef Fischer wrote
Hi to
Bartek,
I am happy o hear of your success.
If you attempt that in the future and must use a carrier of known
frequency as your standard, let me give you some information on how to
counter the K2 RX offset during that procedure.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/13/2012 6:00 PM, Bartek SQ5OBP wrote:
Hi Don,
Hi Bill,
We're going to start shipping a 6' 2.1MM power cable with every P3SVGA board
ordered. The other end of the cable is bare and can be used to connect the
P3 directly to your 12V mains. This should start by tomorrow or the next
day. If your SVGA hasn't shipped yet, there'll be one in the
Hi David,
No need to stress about CW contacts -- just realise that the only critical
thing you need to copy is the callsign. Ideally you'll also get a signal
report, name and QTH as well. Of course you can ask for repeats, but consider
if it is a casual contact and you miss those, what's the
Hi Ken. The source for the audio is determined by the main menu item MIC
SEL. If you want to use the rear panel you select RP. FP for the front
panel.
73
Greg
AB7R
On Mar 13, 2012 2:58 PM, Ken KG0WX kg...@hotmail.com wrote:
I am waiting on my K3 kit to arrive (Friday?). While I wait, I am
How would I go about making the feet on the K3 stickier? I don't want
them *stuck* to the shelf my radio sits on, but if I bump it or try to
plug something in, I chase it around the shelf. Is there something I
can use to make it just a tad stickier?
Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB
Line your shelves with that stuff they sell to keep carpets from sliding
around. Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. Very thin, cuts with a scissor, has a
waffle design. Works for me.
Stan WB2LQF
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Joel Black wrote:
How would I go about making the feet on the K3
Ken,
It all depends. If your connection to line in is for data modes, then
no problem - set line in as the MIC SEL entry for DATA modes.
OTOH, if you are using line in for voice modes, you will be forced to
set MIC + LIN on in the menu, and in that case, both the microphone and
Line In will
Great advice Matt. I had my first cw contact today. I was nervous but had a
program to translate. I was proud when I was done, but had a patient op.
What I learned was I need to learn the proper abbreviations to use. I find
I want to try more now.
On Mar 13, 2012 6:36 PM, Matt Maguire
Just a TAD stickier -- clean the feet, they probably have accumulated
some dust and that makes them slippery.
If you need more than a tad, look at some of the anti-slide shelf
lining that is used in RVs.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/13/2012 8:14 PM, Joel Black wrote:
How would I go about making the
I've had no problem with the K3 feet on my shelves but those shelves may
have different surface stickiness than yours. When I have problems with
other devices moving around (mainly paddles), I put rubber kitchen cabinet
shelf liner under them. It's very soft and doesn't slip.
/Rick
On Tue, Mar
Double what Don said. I find the sticky factor wears off over time, and the
solution is to simply take a (slightly) damp cloth and wipe down the feet
and the shelf they sit on.
--Andrew, NV1B
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Just a TAD stickier --
I used that stuff to keep my key from sliding so easily on the desktop.
Cut little circles out of the stuff and glued them under each foot pad with a
tiny dab of rubber cement
so I could peel them off later if needed. Works pretty well, they key stays
put a lot better.
Bob
K6UJ
On Mar 13,
Good work! Keep at it. The decoding program may give you some extra confidence,
which is great, and it will give you a feel for how operators use CW in
practice. However I'd recommend to ditch it as soon as you can, since it is
just a distraction to learning the code.
Concerning the
So I have this fantasy. I buy a KX3 and then I take the KPA100 out of my
K2, put it in an enclosure of some sort, and then interface it to the KX3.
Feasible? Pipe dream? Thoughts?
73s
Jon, WB2RYV
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Jon,
Pipe dream! The KPA100 needs internal K2 signals to operate, and those
signals do not exist in the KX3.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/13/2012 10:43 PM, Jon Perelstein wrote:
So I have this fantasy. I buy a KX3 and then I take the KPA100 out of my
K2, put it in an enclosure of some sort, and then
I have been trying to track down a issue , I have a K2/100 (KPA100) with a
seperate KAT100 . My power out into a dummy load is the following. This is
the 3rd K2 I have owned , the first with the KPA100 installed, they are
great contest rigs , I love them.
28.000mhz= 55w Max.
28.800 = 50w
Byron,
I hear your problem, but you do need to isolate it to a KPA100 or a base
K2 problem.
Disconnect the APP power connector from the KPA100 and power the K2 from
the 2.1mm coaxial power connector on the lower read panel.
Turn the Power Knob up to about 10 watts and see what the output is on
I've used a drop of Coca-Cola on each equipment foot.
73 de k3yd
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Does anyone have a Softrock for K3 IF kit that is surplus to their
current needs that they would be willing to part with reasonably?
I need a platform to do a bit of interface experimentation ... I'm
not looking for any high performance and certainly don't want to get
a lot tied up in a basic 8
Dave-
The digital mode I find most usable and robust is Olivia. It is quite a bit
better than PSK31
and sounds great too. MultiPSK is a wonderful free program that has
virtually all
digital modes. A small netbook would be ideal to pair with the KX-3.
5 watts and a good antenna will be very
Bob,
Saw your callsign, and would like to mention that if you ever
develop a hand mic for the K3 etc, please let us know.
The ic-7 mic kit I got from you years back works A1. Sorry for being
OT. Hope you enjoy the KX3.
Adrian ... vk4tux
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Fun Tack!
A little dab under each foot and it's not going anywhere but it can easily be
cleaned off.
I use when I had my P3 on top of my K3, worked like a champ and everything
cleaned nicely when I moved it.
Also keeps all those DXCC framed certificates from tilting around on your wall..
Hi Bartek,
Glad all worked out well with the re-alignment - enjoy your K2!
73,
Mike, K8CN
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Iam having problems programing the xg3 to send cw.
73,
Andy
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Back in the old days, I used to use rubber cement to glue the bug to the
table!
Worked great.
Now, with my paddles, I just use that shelf liner stuff. Works great too.
OK, back in my hole,
Ron, KU7Y
SOWP 5545M
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club
Brenda, AZ (Winter)
Caldwell, ID (Summer)
SOLD.
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, KU7Y wrote:
Back in the old days, I used to use rubber cement to glue the bug to the
table!
Worked great.
Now, with my paddles, I just use that shelf liner stuff. Works great too.
I clean things with alcohol solvent. Since I don't trust some of the
denaturing that
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