Re: [Elecraft] K3s availability

2019-06-20 Thread Rick Tavan
Note that the Japanese manufacturers sell many radios with different feature sets at different price points. If you decide you need a feature that's not in your radio, you usually have to buy a new one. Elecraft, for 20+ years, has sold only a few radios, each with a variety of optional features.

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Fred Jensen
Brown noise is supposed to be sleep inducing. The security folks used pink noise in the plenum above the SCIF's to mask conversations.  I can't remember exactly what the spectrum of A-weighting was, I think it had a dip in the mid-range. The TV station I was employed by in college would

[Elecraft] Measuring audio rms power

2019-06-20 Thread Chuck MacCluer
kn5l's question suggests another: How do you measure reliably audio rms power? (Say for EME Sun noise.) It turns out, the Windows program Daqarta work perfectly with either sound card audio or USB audio. Go to "Options," then "measure..." , then "dB." I believe the 30-day free trial, when

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Walter Underwood
> On Jun 20, 2019, at 12:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > There's a way to get around that in a Win 10 machine; tell it you're on a > metered Internet connection. It won't update until you tell it to. It's > in a setting somewhere. Here is how to set it.

[Elecraft] FW: A couple of K3 rigs for sale - UPDATE

2019-06-20 Thread K5WA
>From my earlier message below, S/N 752 has been purchased but I have S/N 234 remaining. Thanks, Bob K5WA From: K5WA Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:23 PM To: 'Elecraft@mailman.qth.net' Subject: A couple of K3 rigs for sale Well, the K4 got my attention and I need to clear the decks

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread rich hurd WC3T
There's a way to get around that in a Win 10 machine; tell it you're on a metered Internet connection. It won't update until you tell it to. It's in a setting somewhere. That said, I have a Dell Inspiron Mini that won't run much beyond Win XP without severely bogging down. It is a small form

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Ken K6MR
Windows 10 allows you to delay updates for up to 35 days. Ken K6MR From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:16:53 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/20/2019 11:17 AM, EricJ wrote: Computers with serial ports running Windows XP/7 are approaching boat anchor status Not quite -- I paid extra for a couple of off-lease Win 7 machines so that I wouldn't be subject to Win 10's forced automatic updates. I like updates, but on MY schedule.

Re: [Elecraft] K3s availability

2019-06-20 Thread Dave New, N8SBE
Eric, Beats the heck out of the cell phone industry, where any phone that is more than about 3 yrs old goes out of support, and I'm forced to upgrade if I want any more security updates. I anticipate that soon the feds will decide to regulate support of connected IoT devices, requiring

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I respectfully disagree on Drake receivers and EF Johnson transmitters as boat anchors.   My finding is there no suitable place on either one to which one can attach a length of rope, hence becoming an anchor line.   Therefore, neither are considered to be a boat anchor. 73 Bob, K4TAX On

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Eric Garner
We use USB/serial adapters from startech https://www.newegg.com/startech-icusb234858i-usb-to-rs-232-422-485-serial/p/N82E16812399182 at work for our serial port needs. mostly because the ports enumerate in the same order every time, which is a huge bonus. they have smaller, cheaper versions as

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread EricJ
Computers with serial ports running Windows XP/7 are approaching boat anchor status along with Drake receivers and EF Johnson transmitters. Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Jim Brown
Bob is correct to the extent that Pink Noise approximates the SPECTRUM of speech, but John's is on target that speech is not continuous, but highly variable in amplitude. For uncompressed speech, the average value is typically as much as 20 dB below the peak value; compression can reduce that

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread John Oppenheimer
Hi Bob, Viewing pink noise with an oscilloscope, it is continuous, where as speech has breaks. The web page is evaluating both expected power to a load and compression gain. Using a little over six second recorded speech. Recording contains fast spoken words, mostly numbers and a few "this is a

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
To evaluate speech use a pink noise source. That is the standard source signal for acoustic measurements. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:34 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > > Hi Don, > >> On 6/20/19 9:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> John, >> >> That connection is OK

Re: [Elecraft] new computers, the search for serial ports and the meaning of life...

2019-06-20 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA
I've found "off lease" and refurbished older laptops quite good for radio. A couple sellers on Amazon have worked for me. Including one with a real serial port. But then I upgraded my K3 with the K3S components so now use a USB port. 73, tom w7sua On 8/10/2013 9:24 AM, Jim Spears wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread John Oppenheimer
Hi Bob, Document Table 1, Line 7. speech = V/5*2^.5. which is same as Vrms/5. Using measured RMS ratios, Vrms=15.3, 15.3/5 = 3V, compared to measured 5.24V. Speech is rather undefined, so not too worried about the discrepancy. My speech with no pauses is ~= Vrms / 3. Really what is being

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread John Oppenheimer
Hi Don, On 6/20/19 9:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > That connection is OK if you realize that your scope is reading the DC > voltage developed by rectifying the RF from 1/2 of the load. You still > have to use the power formula that is in the DL1 manual. Well yes, power references are

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ken, The DL1 is a 50 ohm load. I did specify that the formula was applicable for a 50 ohm load. For other loads, the formula is Vpeak squared divided by 8R. It saves the trouble of converting to RMS and then using the more familiar Vrms squared divided by R. If you wish to derive the

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Don , That may be peak to peak voltage squared decided by 400 for a 50 ohm load. Thanks 73 Ken K5DNL On Thursday, June 20, 2019, 9:30:46 AM CDT, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Here is a paper on the topic. This covers the correct procedure.

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Here is a paper on the topic. This covers the correct procedure. http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~troppel/courses/TIMS-manuals-r5/TIMS%20Experiment%20Manuals/Student_Text/Vol-A1/a1-12.pdf 73 Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:38 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > > Using DL1 with

Re: [Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
John, That connection is OK if you realize that your scope is reading the DC voltage developed by rectifying the RF from 1/2 of the load. You still have to use the power formula that is in the DL1 manual. I prefer to allow the 'scope to read the full peak RF voltage. Connect the 'scope

[Elecraft] Measuring SSB RMS Power

2019-06-20 Thread John Oppenheimer
Using DL1 with Oscilloscope to measure KX3 SSB RMS power: https://www.kn5l.net/ssbpower/ Question, is this technique correct? John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] K3s availability

2019-06-20 Thread j...@kk9a.com
Thanks Eric. I suspected this, especially the continued support. Elecraft has done an excellent job of not obsoleting older radios. I own three K3Ss and it's comforting to hear the official word. 73, John KK9A/4 Sent via the Samsung Galaxy 7 edge, an AT 4G LTE smartphone. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019

Re: [Elecraft] K3s availability

2019-06-20 Thread HB
Thanks Eric!!! I had also asked on several occasions with no response. I plan to order some upgrades after Huntsville. > On Jun 20, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > wrote: > > Our current plan is to keep the K3S in the product line as long as demand is > sufficient to

Re: [Elecraft] K3s availability

2019-06-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Our current plan is to keep the K3S in the product line as long as demand is sufficient to economically produce it. We are certainly still shipping new K3S orders weekly and have sufficient parts inventory to keep manufacturing them at this time. We also are still strongly supporting existing