Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 202, Issue 2

2021-02-03 Thread Bob McGraw
It remembers mode per band as last used. Now, if you turn the radio off by switching off the power supply first, it likely won't remember the last mode.   There is a power down imminent circuit that saves the data when one powers down the radio by the front panel switch.   If one shuts the

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 202, Issue 2

2021-02-03 Thread Bob McGraw
 I suggest you use the K3 Utility and a known good 50 ohm load and perform the  complete TX Gain Calibration.   Connect the radio to the 50 ohm load with a short,  single jumper of known good quality.  There should be no switches, amps, power meters or such in the line between the radio and

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Phil Kane
On 2/3/2021 9:44 AM, Eric Garner wrote: isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them? Some 50-60 years ago Henry Radio in California used to "rent" used transceivers by requiring a deposit of full sale price, which would be refunded less a nominal charge when the gear

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Eric Swartz
[END of Thread] Folks - this topic has quickly hit the limit for single topic posts in a short period. In the interest of improving list SNR, let's let this thread end for now. 73 Eric WA6HHQ List mooderator *elecraft.com * Eric *elecraft.com * On

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Your numbers are entirely unrealistic for for a $4000 transceiver. The discount for a "used" (rental stock) device would need to be *at least* 20-25% (typical of "B Stock" in the professional AV world). A two to four week rental would need to be *at least* $500, if not more, to cover the

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt
I have some experience on this topic because I rent out my Elecraft equipment at my contest station in the Caribbean (J68HZ). I have to treat it strictly as a business investment. setting the price for rental at what I would have to expect to replace all of the equipment every 5-10 years

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Bill Frantz
Sure sounds like the service Remote Ham Radio is already offering with Flex equipment. I seem to remember there also a service that offers Elecraft equipment. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/3/21 at 2:20 PM, ab7e...@gmail.com (David Gilbert) wrote: I suppose, given the

[Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread John Harper
Let's throw some numbers in, just for S: I pay $200 for 2 weeks of togetherness with a K4. Another $100 for 2-way shipping. I'm out $300 if I decide not to keep the rig. No one's going to go for this unless they're already thinking seriously of buying the thing. If they only like it marginally,

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Walter Underwood
Seriously, this was my first thought. Set up a rig rental business that isn’t limited to Elecraft. There is no reason that this has to be an Elecraft operation. A larger business might balance sales profit vs rental profit and self-insure (think car leasing), but that isn’t necessary. This

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 2/3/2021 10:03 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is often more than the rental proceeds. Having worked in selling high value pro audio products, I can confirm that Joe is

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Jim Borowski
John AE5X, Really, a business model? Think about what you just said?Let me put in perspective, I has taken almost 2 years trying to get the K4 out the door. It will at least 2 years for them to com up with a business model. ;-) Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Edward R Cole
So one of you multi-millionaires might buy a dozen K4 and set up a rental business. Hmm? Rent at month minimum period for 10% of value and have clause to recover any damage. They rent cars that way. Of course they require the renter to have full-coverage insurance. So there is another

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Alan - G4GNX
The deposit is usually to cover minor damage when an item is returned. It would have to be as high or higher than the cost to buy a new one, or the renter could be well out of pocket. Most would-be renters would be unlikely to want to shell out $400+ as a deposit. 73, Alan. G4GNX --

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread David Gilbert
This makes very little sense to me.  I can't see there being any way Elecraft could justify the risk and hassle of renting out their equipment.  Ask yourself this ... do you think you could make money buying a K4 and then renting it to other random hams you don't know?  Would you be willing

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread George Thornton
I think Elecraft has enough on its hands with COVID 19 just getting these rigs designed, updated, built and shipped. I am not aware that any major manufacturer of HF amateur radio transceivers maintains an equipment rental program. A rental program would be complex to administer. You would

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Grant Youngman
Elecraft already has a reasonable return policy. It’s on the website. 30 days and a 10% restock fee (which may be more if you’ve bunged it up), since they’d most likely at least have to clean off your fingerprints and lord knows what else, refurbish and then resell it at a discount. And if

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Mark Goldberg
I can't see this as being a good business model. A company has finite resources. If they spend time and money on a rental business, they can't spend time and money on their core business. I'd much rather see Elecraft build and ship as many K4s as possible than spend time and money on a rental

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
No, the deposit is typically for damage and/or late charges. Deposits are generally nowhere near to the replacement cost of expensive equipment. The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is often more than the

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Henry Pollock - K4TMC
John, I like the idea! It would be great to rent a K4 for a few weeks to see if I want to replace my trusty K3+. Better yet, it would be nice to get a K4 and K4HD at the same time!! 73, Henry - K4TMC On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:22 PM John Harper wrote: > I wonder if this model would work? >

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Eric Garner
isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them? Eric KI7LTT On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX wrote: > I can't see that working. > > When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout > a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile

Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread Alan - G4GNX
I can't see that working. When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of junk for their trouble. It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical presence in all states. 73, Alan. G4GNX

[Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

2021-02-03 Thread John Harper
I wonder if this model would work? Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like it. But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer. There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full

Re: [Elecraft] K3 does not change mode properly with band change

2021-02-03 Thread David F. Reed
Carl, yes I do; KPA1500, pc, etc. will try it some... Thanks & 73 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2021, at 08:53, AB1DD wrote: > > Dave, > > Do you have anything plugged into the K3, like the RS232 connection on the > back? Any software running? Try the radio with out anything that might

[Elecraft] KX3 For Sale

2021-02-03 Thread H. Cary
KX3 (Factory built) #11219 (lightly used, 6 FT8 contacts only) KXAT3 Internal tuner, KH3 mic, KX3 combo end panels & cover by SideKX. New about$1700. For Sale $1200 includes shipping CONUS. Contact H. Cary off list: H3Cary at gmail dot com 73, K4TM Sent from my iPad

Re: [Elecraft] K3 does not change mode properly with band change

2021-02-03 Thread AB1DD
Dave, Do you have anything plugged into the K3, like the RS232 connection on the back? Any software running? Try the radio with out anything that might take control and see what happens. 73, Carl AB1DD Resistance is futile. (don't know about reactance, though) On 2/3/2021 8:59 AM, David F.

[Elecraft] K3 does not change mode properly with band change

2021-02-03 Thread David F. Reed
Being an intermittent problem, it is hard for me to figure out but I am hoping some of you have seen and solved this... Let's say I am on 40, LSB; sometimes when I change bands to 20M, it stays in LSB; sometimes it correctly changes to USB. Any ideas what is going on or how to fix it?