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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of eric manning
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:17 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
CW is just another digital mode
Yes, and Rembrandt
: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I wonder what constitutes a QSO on some digital modes. Using Opera you can
click the auto QSO button and even automatically upload the 'QSO'
to eqsl. The op does not have to do anything much other than watch the
screen. You could get your DXCC by just
You could try KComm. It works with the K3's own keyer and decoder. It works
with the KX3 too.
W7GJ, Lance wrote
I have just bee introduced to N1MM, and that seems to work great with my
K3 and
laptop computer, but it really seems geared for quick openings or working
pileups.
Is there
Sent: 09/11/2012 09:10:19
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I'm finished with this thread to many people making statements that have no
real world experience using the latest CW software. And worst of all not a
clue as to how many complete canned responses they get during
,
Fred/N0AZZ
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M5FRA - Colin
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:51 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
If that was directed at me
I agree with both sides of the discussion.
I was an Army trained cw/ RTTY intercept operator. Learned the morse
code and where the keys were on a typewriter one
very hot summer just outside of Boston at a place called Fort Devens.
After that I was sent to radio-teletype school.
Years later I
...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M5FRA - Colin
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:38 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I wonder what constitutes a QSO on some digital modes. Using Opera you
can click the auto QSO button and even automatically upload the 'QSO
This may be off topic, but I read an interesting book on how digital technology
affects
our Culture. Sort of along Marshall McLuhen's 'We make tools and then our tools
remake us.
The book, written by an MIT Prof named Turkle, is called 'Alone Together' and
was reviewed on NPR recently:
I also agree with both sides. I have great respect for those who have learned
this skill, and I'm trying to get there myself.
But I also see the value in computer assisted modes.
The question really is how many dB is brain decoding worth?
If the signal is strong and stable enough, a computer
Hi guys,
While interesting, we are way exceeding the max posting limit per day on
a single topic. Let's end this thread at this time in the interest of
keeping list volume under control for our readers.
73,
Eric
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On 11/9/2012 7:32 AM, Michael Usher AG6MK
is about people communicating and total PC control is just a
step too far.
Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA
m5fra.org.uk http://www.m5fra.org.uk
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From: Jim Douglass h...@odsgc.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 09/11/2012 13:13:05
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding
Hi All,
I'm not going to totally throw cold water on those trying to rely heavily on
the CW decoding capability of the K3 (and KX3), but I think you will be
mostly frustrated. First of all, the decoding capability of these rigs is
heavily dependent on several factors, including a pretty good
Eric closed this thread.
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M5FRA - Colin
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I have
If you are using a CW decoder but would like to learn or improve your own CW
capabilities, I invite you to look at www.cwops.org/cwacademy.html
The Academy is offered by CWops and is free to all.
Pete, W1RM
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And another great resource, if you want to build your own practice files,
is ebook2cw,written by Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK. Converts text to really nice
sounding CW, with control over rise/fall times, pitch, timing, etc...
Command line version works great on Mac OS X, and I believe it also runs on
Your brain IS best at CW decoding - but only after you've spent
many hundreds of hours training it. You can work CW DX NOW by getting a
Keyer and learning one thing in CW - the sound of your callsign. Let CW
Skimmer decode for you. It's not as good as your brain, but this setup
will
For many of us CW is an art form, a skill worth those hundreds of hours
of practice, and a connection to wireless history. Fortunately, amateur
radio is a broad enough service/hobby that it can support all the
opinions we may have on this subject.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Larry Libsch
Well I've been at it for about 8 months now and have worked only CW (about 1100
QSOs to date) since I got my ticket . I'm just beginning to be able to put down
the pen and copy in my head. Sure I miss a couple of words here and there, but
for the most part I'm getting much better. I think I'm
Your brain IS best at CW decoding...
Amen to that, brother!
...Let CW Skimmer decode for you...
Only if a non-brain decoder is good enough to read the DX station at 28 wpm
(or better) when he says pse na qrx nw ja up and you understand what that
means, and not keep calling incessantly because the
I respect the hams that have spent many hours developing and
improving their CW skills ... until they attempt to discourage hams who
choose to come at CW with a different approach. The conjecture that
those of us using decoders cause more problems than those audibly
decoding is just
Hello Stephen,
It sounds inspirational! I have never found CW very restful or been able to
copy in
my head. I think it all started when I first learned CW the wrong wayit
took me
two tries to get the 13 wpm General class license back in the 60's. And I was
sweating bullets as I typed
While we're on the subject of computer-based CW learning and operating -
another perhaps lesser-known setup that may be worth checking out is the
CW-over-Internet approach using FLDigi and Mumble software, which provides
multi-user, high audio quality, low latency CW over the net via a server.
PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
Your brain IS best at CW decoding - but only after you've spent
many hundreds of hours training it. You can work CW DX NOW by getting a
Keyer and learning one thing in CW - the sound of your callsign
I can see that someone might want to use a K3 CW decode or a computer decode
program like CW Skimmer when operating a contest. After you set things up,
very little real CW skill is necessary to be a CW contest player. Indeed, many
probably do just that.
Ultimately of course, the software
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ralph Parker
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:27 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Your brain IS best at CW decoding...
Amen
Someone was on the right track. Why all the systems and methods?
Just get on the air and use it. That is how we actually did it back when.
We used CW as a primary mode for the most part. We learned how to
use it and improved by doing it on the air.
Anyway I want to talk about CW, CW decode on the
At 05:08 PM 11/8/2012, Jim Dunstan wrote:
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2012, you wrote:
I respect the hams that have spent many hours developing and
improving their CW skills ... until they attempt to discourage hams who
choose to come at CW with a different approach. The conjecture that
those of
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I can see that someone might want to use a K3 CW decode or a computer decode
program like CW
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At 05:08 PM 11/8/2012, Jim Dunstan wrote:
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2012, you wrote:
I respect the hams that have spent many hours developing and
improving their CW skills ... until they attempt to discourage hams
who choose to come
Interesting discussion. If you _want_ to learn CW you _can_do it. I
started when was 50 and had suffered minor brain damage from years of
heart disease 'episodes' as UK doctors call them. It has been a
struggle but well worth it. Electronic decode is not the same and does
not work well with
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ralph Parker
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:27 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
Sorry for the rant, but there are w too many people calling
out of turn these days. I
Hello Phil,
I respectively disagree Phil. I can absolutely, positively, 100%
GUARANTEE that a major CW was never won by someone using a CW decoder.
I'd even stick my neck out and say that no one has ever broken into the
top 10. I also don't think software will ever surpass the human brain
CW is just another digital mode
Yes, and Rembrandt is just another painter,
Dizzy was just another trumpet player
a Porsche is just another car
a K3 is just another radio
. . . . .
Eric VA7DZ
All Men are not Created Equal ... Some of US Know CW
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Amen !
At last some sense here. Anyone who believes you can successfully operate
CW using a decoder is living in cuckoo land !
For a CW contest... forget it !
Decoders are very poor at coping with typical HF conditions, QRM, QRN, QSB,
ESP signals, poor sending, spacing, bad spelling, all will
After you set things up, very little real CW skill is necessary
to be a CW contest player. Indeed, many probably do just that.
Ha ha ha, you make funny joke!
(I have deleted my following remarks in the interest of maintaining
civility on the reflector.)
Ralph, VE7XF
://www.m5fra.org.uk
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From: Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com
To: 'Jim Dunstan' jduns...@tbaytel.net;elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 08/11/2012 22:49:12
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Decoding - Your Brain is best
I'm one who doesn't enjoy digital modes none of them CW included it's
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