Hello,
Due to the sweepstakes contest there will be no CW nets today.
Gives me time to do some serious fall cleaning. I hope the solar flux
remains high. It is over 90 right now after years stuck at 70. There
is also a large sunspot group. The new solar cycle has arrived.
See you
Good Evening,
Sweepstakes is filling the CW bands so we won't run the two nets
tomorrow. Hopefully the bands are good for all the contesters spending
long hours in the chair. I'll be back next week to see how the sun is
performing.
GL & 73,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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Hi Folks,
I have been very busy this week. Building a new computer and
gathering wood before the first snowfall. So, I missed two facts:
Daylight Savings Time changed last night & there is this massive ARRL
Sweepstakes event. Instead of competing with the sweepstakes I'll split
more wo
Yes, ECN is still cancelled. The CW SS is filling the bands.
See you all next week.
73 & GL,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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Due to prior use by the many contesters in this weekend's CW Sweepstakes
the Elecraft CW Net will be cancelled until the following week.
GL & 73,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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Good Afternoon,
The CW nets are cancelled for today. Enjoy your week. I will see
you next Sunday.
73,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> As Tim, KQ8M mentioned in a later e-mail:
>
> In answer to your suggestion, there already are areas. 3.600-3.650,
> 7.100-7.125, 14.100-14.150, 21.100-21.150, 28.100-28.150. During even the
> biggest contests those areas are usually free of contest
s more due to most of the net
> members playing in the contest?)
>
> Ted W4NZ
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of John Ragle
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:50 AM
> To: elecra
So if I understand this thread correctly:
Some guys don't like it when there are a lot of signals on the bands;
and
Mr. A doesn't approve of the signal reports exchanged in a QSO between
Mr. B and Mr. C.
Very enlightening.
Tony KT0NY
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> My point would be that signal reports are meaningless, period.
Very true. Think about this..
You get a report from 10 stations, all of whom are within a mile of each
other. All have different antennas, rigs, ears and etc. Some have S meters
while some don't.
You get RSTs from 599 to 5
It also allows for the brain to adjust for the changing band conditions... and
provides a vry much improved copy, and rate.
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Dale - WC7S in Wy
Did you like that you can't see what I am referring to?
It isn't a signal report. It is really a place holder to let your brain
know that what follows you have to copy. Even digital systems have a
"wake up stupid" function.
73 de Brian/K3KO
On 2/20/2012 16:42, Matthew Pitts wrote:
> Why be upset with a 599? Because of that very same variability;
My point would be that signal reports are meaningless, period.
No matter what the other stations sends, you have no idea what you
sound like over there. All you know is he can hear you well enough to
copy most of what you are sending.
The only truly honest report one could give would be 'your
Brian wrote:
< snip >
> Of course, complaining is a good pasttime too.
Chuckle! As I age, I'm finding this to be true. But my K3-P3
combination can be counted on to cheer me up!
73,
George T Daughters, K6GT
CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
October 6-7, 2012
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Look at it this way. There are several contests without a signal report
at all in the exchange. Do they bother you? I suspect not, or at least
they wouldn't if you were a contester because you'd be following the
rules of that contest and all you'd care about is optimizing your score
like y
Does it really matter if the report is 559 or 599, the important part is
that you get the call sign CORRECT and the zone, country, serial # or
power. That is what the contest managers require, that you can copy all the
information correctly. As mentioned earlier, the 599 is more or less a
prea
Why be upset with a 599? Because of that very same variability; it is highly
unlikely that you will have exactly the same propagation to different parts of
the world at the same time, so why should you accept the same report from all
contacts without question?
Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
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What I don't understand is why anyone would be upset at the standard
'5NN' signal report.
Last time I checked the bands, signal strength varied. I know this
weekend I had to wait for a few stations to come up out of the noise.
A guy who is an honest 599 right now was an honest 539, or maybe eve
>>>W1ZI wrote:
It is a pity that the Elecraft CW net had to be cancelled because QRM from
contests would have overwhelmed it.
John Ragle -- W1ZI
I agree with John to a certain extent. I am not a CW OP but the K3 is
certainly converting me.
In CW
Maybe it's because not all Elecraft rigs have the WARC bands available, and the
net control operator doesn't want to leave those users out.
Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
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On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Brian Alsop wrote:
>
> 3) Rag chewing in the everyday world has gone the way of speeches vs
> tweets. So short exchanges are ingrained these days.
YMMV. My typical digital mode QSO is 30-60+ minutes. My CW contacts are
typically 20-40 minutes.
I suspect that
On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Dale Putnam wrote:
> SPECIFICALLY the Elecraft line, if you can hear the other station.. he's
> already 5nn, or you wouldn't be answering his call.
NOT TRUE. I had a QRP station call me and I had severe trouble reading him.
I responded with a RST 229 229 ...
lecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
Since when do pre-programmed memory buttons and logging software
constitute "crisp operating practices?"
In the case of actual public service, observing net protocol and careful
listening/transmitting are the important fac
Why are contests so popular? Think of three factors:
1) Competition and station performance testing.
2) Weekends are the only time may people get to operate much. The
desire is to make a lot of contacts.
3) Rag chewing in the everyday world has gone the way of speeches vs
tweets. So short exch
Since when do pre-programmed memory buttons and logging software
constitute "crisp operating practices?"
In the case of actual public service, observing net protocol and careful
listening/transmitting are the important factors, along with
properly-prepared emergency hardware.
I am not opposed
All of the loggers support real reports, the contest organizers have left
it in the exchange to possibly be used. Why doesn't it get used?
The participants voted 99.999% against it by refusal to use anything other
than 5NNJust about almost everyone just WANTS it that way.
The most popular c
In a recent message, David Gilbert writes
>I'd offer the opinion that crisp operating
>practices learned in contesting beat casual roundtable chats with
>friends hands down.
"Crisp" they may be, but at least with roundtable chats you do get
genuine reports. This 5NN stuff really does put me off
It seems to me that hams are voting on that topic through their
activity. The bands are pretty dead, relatively speaking, when there is
not a DXpedition or contest running. I'd love to see an SDR-type
application that records the total spectrum usage over the course of a
year and correlates
Prompted by some of the comments about contests and complaints under
this topic, I second this sentiment with a vengeance. As I have written
to the reflector before, I think these do not go very far toward
justifying the spectrum space that we have been given by the public, and
they mean that I
LOTW requires no signal report for validation, although it accepts one.
eQSL requires no signal report for validation, although it accepts one.
In both cases the required data is: Call, UTC Date/Time, Mode and TX Band.
Both also accept other data for awards such county hunting, WAS, WAC, WAZ etc
Having used rx that didn't have S-meters, and those that do... then I find a
great rx that makes all the "calibration" of my "internal" S meter rather an
interesting conflict to watch, when using a fine tuned K2, with either analog
or dsp filtering.. I find the "internal" S meter goes from 229
And speaking of how ham radio must be changing over the years, what the heck
did people do about signal reports before they had S meets to read? Bear in
mind that this question is mostly rhetorical. I don't bother with S meter
readings myself, but I do try to give honest signal reports anyway. B
On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> Well Ken, one can nit pick many aspects of our hobby. What's your point?
I guess my point is that the signal report has been cheapened into being
valueless. Why give anyone a signal report if it's a lie? I guess
ham radio has just changed
On Behalf Of kevinr
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:56 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
It is interesting to note how peoples' tastes differ.
Kevin. KD5ONS
On 2/19/2012 2:02 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
> If the ECN (I guess that m
Well Ken, one can nit pick many aspects of our hobby. What's your point?
I've always wondered why non-contesters worry so much about what
contesters do?
I certainly don't spend my time worrying about what net operators do, 2M
shack-on-the-belt types, etc.
The HK0NA DX-Pedition made over 193,0
The signal report in most contests is a historical artifact. It isn't
even checked as part of the log checking process (which is why everyone
uses "599") but contest sponsors are reluctant to drop it from the
exchange anyway, presumably for legacy reasons such as possible effect
on QSO rate .
Yes and that's exactly the point.
The WARC bands are, by design, contest free.
Thanks Rick.
On 2/19/2012 3:01 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:
> The WARC bands should be quiet
>
> Rick N6XI
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> On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM, kevinr wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Due to whichev
It is interesting to note how peoples' tastes differ.
Kevin. KD5ONS
On 2/19/2012 2:02 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
> If the ECN (I guess that means Elcraft Cw Net?) is for chatting on a clear
> frequency, why is it not on the WARC bands (contest free) and/or why is it
> on the weekend when it
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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:26 PM
To: garyk...@wi.rr.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
Exactly his point, Gary. The ECN net is about chatting on a clear frequency.
It was obvious that with the
riginal Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary K9GS
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:54 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
Kevin.it's a contest, not a "chat"
On 2/19/2012 10:16 AM, kevinr wrote:
> Hello,
> Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
> Nets will be cancelled for this week.
It's the annual ARRL DX CW ...W/VE work everyone else and vice versa.
It is over at 2359Z today [Sunday].
73,
Fred K6DGW
- Northern Calif
On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, kevinr wrote:
> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything. 5NN and
> they are gone.
What's the purpose of exchanging a signal report if they are always 599 even if
they can barely copy you? ;-)
Oh, never mind
Ken WA8JXM
The WARC bands should be quiet
Rick N6XI
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On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM, kevinr wrote:
> Hello,
>Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
> Nets will be cancelled for this week.
>
> See you all next Sunday.
>73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
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Fred KE7X, one of the "big guns" in this ... and other ... contests is operating
from here as an SO2R operation with two K3 / P3 pairs. Rose and I are his
"pit crew".
Some will recognize Fred as the author of the popular after-market K3 manual.
Don't call him though ... US QSO's don't count in t
And there is a slow speed net on Tues at 2100z 2pm and Thursday, at 14.062, RMR
net a nice informal net...anyone is welcome..
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Dale - WC7S in Wy
> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:46:08 -0800
> From: kev...@coho.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft]
Kevin.it's a contest, not a "chat".
Would you make the same comment about marathon runners not stopping for
a cup of coffee?
On 2/19/2012 2:46 PM, kevinr wrote:
> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything. 5NN and
> they are gone.
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
> On 2/19
The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything. 5NN and
they are gone.
Kevin. KD5ONS
On 2/19/2012 12:42 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote:
> Kevin wrote...
>
>> Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets
>> will be cancelled for this week.
>
Kevin wrote...
> Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets
> will be cancelled for this week.
But despair not! Get on... everyone on earth will be trying to work
stations in North America! Fill up your DXCC spreadsheet! Have
fun!
There are lots of K3's and K
Hello,
Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
Nets will be cancelled for this week.
See you all next Sunday.
73,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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There will be no 40 meter net today due to thunderstorms in the area.
They are very rare but I have been having lightning strikes walk up the
Columbia River valley only a few miles north of me. Some of the strikes
are hitting much closer.
Sorry,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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> 73 de Tom K2TA
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Elecraft"
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:31 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Cancellation
>
> > Howdy Folks,
>
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Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Cancellation
> Howdy Folks,
> Between listening to the bands and reading my database I find
Howdy Folks,
Between listening to the bands and reading my database I find there
will be a low probability of either a good turnout or finding a vacant
spot to run either of the nets. Last year I simply called it off so I
plan to do the same this year. I will see you all again next Sunday.
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