Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-22 Thread David Cole
Hi Jim, Thanks for the info! Got both manuals, and must have missed that... :) I have noticed that the K3 centers things... I used to have to move things around with Macros on the PRO III... :) THis radio is interesting, the harder you look at it, the more complex it is... :) It really is a

[Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
I'm note sure the title makes any sense. Now I hate to admit this but I've had more contacts in the last two month than in the last ten years using JT65HF. I'm using a FT-1000D with BPF on 20 and 10 meters with a Cushcraft Vertical. I think I bought it when Cushcraft was still in NH. I'm

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
The only real concern for using the K3 with WSJT-X (JT65 and JT9 simultaneously) is to make sure you get either the FM or AM (13 KHz or 6 KHz) roofing filter so you can widen the RX bandwidth to the full 4.2 KHz. With a 2.7 or 2.8 KHz filter you will be limited to one mode or the other and

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread DGB
I have both those filters, 2.7 and 2.8 and am able to crank the width to 4KHz. Also using WSJT-X and am able to adjust/widen the screen to 4KHz for both modes, works great! 73 Dwight NS9I On 4/21/2014 9:52 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The only real concern for using the K3 with WSJT-X (JT65

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
With a 2.4 KHz filter (not on a K3) I only got partial band coverage on JT65/JT9). Is there any advantage to using a CW filter to look at a eq channels at a time ? Or is it better just to use the DSP to narrow it down ? Larry DGB [via Elecraft] wrote: I have both those filters, 2.7 and 2.8

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
There are, of course, exceptions to that rule. When there is a very strong signal in the passband that is causing the receiver to reduce gain to the point that a weak signal is not copyable, a CW filter (400 Hz) centered on the weak signal can often make the difference between copy and no copy.

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/21/2014 8:28 AM, Larry Lopez wrote: Or is it better just to use the DSP to narrow it down ? K1JT says that it is best to run the radio broadband and let the WSJT software provide the needed selectivity in its decoding algorithm. The reason is simple -- phase shift can cause decoding

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/21/2014 10:05 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: There are, of course, exceptions to that rule. When there is a very strong signal in the passband that is causing the receiver to reduce gain to the point that a weak signal is not copyable, a CW filter (400 Hz) centered on the weak signal can

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
Thanks Joe and Jim: So you need a linear phase filter. Is the DSP filter linear phase ? I'm searching for linear phase filter and ending up finding references in this group !!! Larry, N2CS -- View this message in context:

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread N7RJN
Phase noise is an issue, however, adjacent signals in the filter passband seem to have more of an impact on the ability to decode weak signals than the phase noise associated with narrower filters. I have been able to decode weak DX stations with 400Hz and even 250Hz filters that I could not

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread David Cole
Are you in DATA mode when you use JT65. What mode for PSK? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phase noise is *not* the problem/solution being discussed. It is the phase *shift* through the filter. That is signals (within the passband) of one frequency are not delayed by exactly the same amount of time as signals of another frequency. That is a different 'animal' than phase noise.

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/21/2014 12:49 PM, David Cole wrote: Are you in DATA mode when you use JT65. What mode for PSK? RTFM. :) If you're using a computer to generate the signal, use DATA A for everything but RTTY. For RTTY from the computer use AFSK. DATA A means that the computer generates the data

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
JT65: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/JT65HF-Data-Mode-A-td7513437.html my FT1000D was USB. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-to-outfit-a-K3-for-JT65HF-or-JT9-tp7587584p7587636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
But what about EME. You want a narrow filter and you want constant group delay. I'll research that as a separate topic. Let's close this out. In a pinch the 5 pole filter which comes with the rig is ok. 6K AM, 12K FM are recommended making up selectivity in the DSP. Narrow filters recommended

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
Larry Lopez wrote So you need a linear phase filter. Is the DSP filter linear phase ? I teach DSP and filters at the University of Oslo. Of the two DSP filter types, FIR (Finite Impulse Response) and IIR (Infinite Impulse Response), only an FIR filter can be designed to have exact linear phase

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Larry Lopez
Oh my, I finally get it. You don't even need the K3's DSP. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-to-outfit-a-K3-for-JT65HF-or-JT9-tp7587584p7587644.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Larry, EME is about weak signal reception, and all the signals on the band segment are weak. So there are no strong adjacent signals to worry about. The situation on HF is different. If there is a station within the passband at S-9+30, it is on the borderline for activating the Hardware

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Sam Morgan
don't forget the K3's tunable Notch, I have found it works quite well to attenuate those offending S9 +30 signals. The width is just shy of a JT65 signal, but if you make sure to cover the low end it works. You can watch it working in the waterfall. I always run with the K3's AGC off...ymmv sm

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
The hardware AGC cannot be turned off - it is a protection system for the ADC that proceeds the DSP and must be protected from overload otherwise garbage will be the result. Yes, the tunable notch will attenuate signals that are within the passband of the roofing filter, but only the roofing

Re: [Elecraft] How to outfit a K3 for JT65HF or JT9

2014-04-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 4/21/2014 8:51 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: don't forget the K3's tunable Notch, I have found it works quite well to attenuate those offending S9 +30 signals. The Manual notch is outside the AGC loop - it can not protect the AGC system from pumping and as such only serves to protect the sound