Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-24 Thread Edward R Cole
Obviously you've never been in the military? (or forgot?) The military is a big testing pool for idiots (please note the quotes for idiot-its use is tongue-in-cheek). I used to work for Hughes Aircraft writing tech manuals for the military. You could not assume the operator knew anything

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: I¹ll wager the same is true in other industries where the consequences of human error can be significant. I don¹t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific suggestions; but as a starting point,

[Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread RIchard Williams via Elecraft
I would agree with Ted in many instances (especially where safety is paramount),  standardization is a necessity (excellent examples are given by Ted).  That said, I would have to disagree with him if we try and apply that rational across the board.  For instance, I do think applying the if it

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread George Danner
Once you start down the path to Idiot-Proofing equipment, you will soon learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined! 73 George AI4VZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Ken G Kopp
OT: Then there was the FD a few years ago when one of our guys took the club's generator by the gas station and filled the crankcase to the top with fuel. There -were- two (labeled) filler caps protruding from the top of the housing . (;-) 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 23, 2015 9:52 AM, Phil Wheeler

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Lewis Phelps
On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:50 AM, RIchard Williams via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: WIth Radio Shack going tits up... Well, your report of RadioShack’s death is premature. They went through a Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceeding, They emerged from Chapter 11 three months after

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Dauer, Edward
I agree with both Richard (K8ZTT) and with Guy (K2AV), in that all safety and error prevention strategies have to be subject to a practical cost-benefit analysis. That’s true even in healthcare — when you receive a transfusion, the transfused blood type is checked five or six times, not ten

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Phil Wheeler
Then I sure hope no one idly plugs a water hose in the the fuel filler port of my car! I guess all those auto manufacturers need to change the designs to prevent that ignorance, too. Perhaps the K2 is just too challenging (for some) :-) Phil W7OX On 8/23/15 6:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Matt Zilmer
There are many examples of what George says. One of my buddies accidentally plugged in his K3's power offset, so that the cable's red was plugged into the K3's black. No problem until he put the ground lug on Then some Bad Things happened. I work and live by the rule, Double check

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Danny Higgins
You will never win! Many years ago we designed a military unit that had many I/O ports, so we chose a selection of MIL STD connectors with different shell sizes, numbers of pins, plugs/ sockets, orientations etc. to make it soldier proof. What we didn't realise until later was that if you

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread G4GNX
Whilst much of this may be true, it certainly isn't the case in the electronics industries (including Ham Radio) no matter how much we would wish it. A classic case is the 2.3mm power input plug (which is really a line socket) which is used on radios, power tool chargers, cell phones, laptop PCs

[Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Dauer, Edward
Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least it shouldn¹t cause any serious harm. In other industries where safety is at issue that is a firmly enforced rule. Examples, from two industries with which I have worked: Many lives have been saved since general aviation

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread kg9hfr...@gmail.com
My wife came to me a long time ago with a broken iRobot product. She confused the power plugs -easy to do, they both said iRobot and had the same plugs… One was AC and one was DC. If I recall, I had to replace a diode in the broken iRobot. I used RED and YELLOW tape on the unit and plug from

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Tony Estep
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 5:33 PM, bs usb bs...@k5dkz.com wrote: George Danner wrote: Once you start down the path to Idiot-Proofing equipment, you will soon learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined! = The local Micro-Center store sells T-shirts

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread G4GNX
I once tried to idiot-proof a Theatre Organ console on its lift, by using a very stout multi-way connector for power and lift control, along with much smaller connectors for signals etc., There was no way that it was possible to put the wrong plug in the wrong socket, not even with a hammer!!!

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Phil Wheeler
Honorable Mention in the Darwin Awards :-) Phil W7OX On 8/23/15 5:14 PM, G4GNX wrote: I once tried to idiot-proof a Theatre Organ console on its lift, by using a very stout multi-way connector for power and lift control, along with much smaller connectors for signals etc., There was no way

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Everyone is an idiot sometimes. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:33 AM, bs usb bs...@k5dkz.com wrote: George Danner wrote: Once you start down the path to Idiot-Proofing equipment, you will soon learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined! 73 George

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Phil Wheeler
On 8/23/15 3:33 PM, bs usb wrote: I have never understood why anyone would want to build equipment that could be used by idiots. They try to understand their customer base? :-) Phil W7OX __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread Dale Putnam
George Danner wrote: Once you start down the path to Idiot-Proofing equipment, you will soon learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined! 73 George AI4VZAnd keep in mind.. just one itsy thing.. this is a hobby, it is a unique tool to LEARN with, not solely for

Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

2015-08-23 Thread bs usb
George Danner wrote: Once you start down the path to Idiot-Proofing equipment, you will soon learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined! 73 George AI4VZ Actually the real idiots are the ones attempting to do the idiot proofing. I have never understood why