Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-17 Thread Gary
Ditto Jim -Original Message- From: "Jim Rhodes" <j...@rhodesend.net> Sent: ‎18/‎09/‎2016 4:51 AM To: "Alan. G4GNX" <g4...@theatreorgans.co.uk> Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio qualit

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-17 Thread Jim Rhodes
operator/s and discuss some other > topic - LOUDLY. The only answer there seems to be headphones. The same goes > for filed days/contests. > > Perhaps we should start to wind this thread up now before it outstays its > welcome? :-) > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -Origina

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-17 Thread Alan. G4GNX
.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has been thoroughly beat to death in the past. Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going to produce astounding bass and since it fac

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
;li...@subich.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, -6 CW: -16, -3, 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, provide

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has been thoroughly beat to death in the past. Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your ears, the high frequency sounds are

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
settings for each person, news or music Thanks.  Mel, K6KBE From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <li...@subich.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3,  +

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, -6 CW: -16, -3, 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, provide some "presence" in the 1200-2800 Hz range essential for intelligibility and roll off high frequency hiss, noise and QRM. Those who

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
Hi Bill, One thing we learned many years ago in pro audio is that in general, it's a bad idea to use "boost" EQ, especially to boost a lot of bands, and to boost them a lot. The reason is "headroom" -- when you're boosting a lot, you're more likely to hit digital clip on audio peaks. I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,9/16/2016 3:37 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote: AM 6 kHz or so eq'd circuit. In the OLD days when AM was still the "big dog" and FM was a license to lose money, the station I worked for had a telephone link to the transmitter equalized to 10 kHz. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
* *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* * The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Kevin
I rest my case. I think if you blindfold someone and tell them their listening to a K3(s) they'd come back with the same "it sounds like %$@!" answer even if it was another manu's rig they were listening to. It's a self sustaining urban legend now. On 9/16/2016 2:18 PM, Greg wrote: When I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Augie "Gus" Hansen
Hi Jim, ... It's all very simple physics. Look at the size of the loudspeaker. Its low frequency output is limited by its size as a fraction of a wavelength. The K3 and K3S are designed as compact, light weight radios. The speaker used is quite good for its size. If you want big bass, you

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Walter Underwood
not suit anyone else. > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -Original Message- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:15 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality > &

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,9/16/2016 7:20 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. This is exactly

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Mark E. Musick
: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:15 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? Rich K3RWN On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: > When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 > speaker

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Rich
Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? Rich K3RWN On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Greg
When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to the second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the FT1000D and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Edward R Cole
PS: I have just gotten new hearing aids that have bluetooth capability. Soon will try using the audio appliance to interface with headphone output of the K3, which will eliminate all speakers (if it works well). It works well when used with my iphone, so likely will be nice for working

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Fred Jensen
A recurring theme on this list, Alan. My hearing is sufficiently challenged that the only audio my K3 ever produces go into headphones, which are hugely improved over the "cans" on the mid-20th Century. I have found that the internal speakers in many of today's transceivers leave a lot to be

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
As Kevin notes it's a long-standing complaint. Actually, it goes back to about 1999 when the first grumbles about the upward-facing speaker on the original Elecraft K2 were posted. It's especially true in a "live" room where the audio is reflected from various surfaces or where a shelf is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Richard Fjeld
I usually use a Yamaha CM500 headset which I like very much. For an external speaker, early into the hobby I made a nice walnut frame with grill cloth to house an old speaker from a Muntz TV, if you remember those. It became a keepsake. Dick, n0ce On 9/16/2016 8:49 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Matthew Lawson
My K3 has had weak audio on the external speaker, have to crank volume knob up almost all the way up. Seems like there is no amplification. Need to check into it. *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R *

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 16 Sep 09:17 -0500, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a > speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small > speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will > help a great deal. I don't

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread David Cutter
I stand a stiff cardboard box (for my Kent paddle) behind the speaker and that throws the sound toward me. The K3 speaker in an external box would be very good. I have Pyle battery powered speakers which are also excellent and very small as advised on the list some while ago. David G3UNA

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Vic Rosenthal
High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Sep 2016, at 14:04, Alan. G4GNX

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
craft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In my case the issue was low frequency harmonics in the case/assembly causing the audio to distort. Removing the speaker from the case resulted in very excellent audio from the built in speaker. I re-installed it and use an external spe

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
First - my K3 never leaves my desk. Hence, no issues with external speakers. It took me several months of adjusting the EQ and AGC (many settings available to the user to suit their desires) to get the sound I desired from my Behringer MS40 speakers. Armchair surround copy! Best sounding rig

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jerry Moore
: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 16 Sep 07:33 -0500, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > My comments are restricted to voice mode.  Alan's comments are related > to comparison with Icom DSP radios.  K3's audio in voice mode (no > matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far inferior than Icom. I don't own an Icom and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Jerry Moore
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. We hav

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Edward R Cole
I only listened to the internal K3 speaker for a few days when it was brand new...sounded harsh. Use of headphones K3 sounds great and have been using a ten-inch National Speaker built in the 1950's since then whose ambience I really appreciate. I never haul my K3 out to portable locations

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Clay Autery
Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Date:09/16/2016 07:29 (GMT-06:00) To: Kevin <ksto...@ac0h.net>,elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality I must say that I respectfully disagree '99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio'. My comments ar

[Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Johnny Siu via Elecraft
Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Kevin <ksto...@ac0h.net> 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2016年09月16日 (週五) 7:57 PM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread ac5p
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan, Have you considered replacing the speaker in that K3? On 9/16/2016 7:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Kevin
This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Bill
Check out the RX EQ settings. You can do a lot with them. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

[Elecraft] K3 audio quality

2016-09-16 Thread Alan. G4GNX
Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the

[Elecraft] K3: Audio Quality of SSB (RX, not TX) ?

2010-01-22 Thread Phil Hystad
I have been using up e-mail bits and bytes selling the K3 to a friend of mine (Greg, KM6SG). He hasn't done much CW since he passed his Advanced license test and is mostly a SSB type of guy. Me, I am mostly CW. So, he asks me this question about the K3, Can the K3 DSP repair or fixup the

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Audio Quality of SSB (RX, not TX) ?

2010-01-22 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Discussion List Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:04:06 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio Quality of SSB (RX, not TX) ? I have been using up e-mail bits and bytes selling the K3 to a friend of mine (Greg, KM6SG).  He hasn't done much CW since he passed his Advanced license test

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Audio Quality of SSB (RX, not TX) ?

2010-01-22 Thread Hector Padron
of 449 or even weaker and with the DSP I can hear them as a clear 579 signal. I hope my answer be good for your friend,73   AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3