Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level and a question to Wayne

2010-06-28 Thread Lyle Johnson
>> What are the headphone output impedances of the front panel and the rear >> panel jacks and do they vary between modes?. The LM4811 headphone amplifier provides maximum power transfer into a 16 ohm load (105 mW), and 70mW into a 32 ohm load. Ifas you increase th eload impedance, the headpho

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level and a question to Wayne

2010-06-28 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:07:51 -0400, Robert Kirkland wrote: >We know that to obtain the maximum audio level between two devices we must >match the impedances between them. WRONG! Study my tutorial on audio for ham radio in http://audiosytemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf >What are the headphone output

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level and a question to Wayne

2010-06-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Robert, It is a misconception that audio devices must be impedance matched. Audio transducers respond to voltage and current which equates to power. Normally, audio output drivers are designed as low impedance sources. That means that they will produce more power into a low impedance load t

[Elecraft] Low headphone audio level and a question to Wayne

2010-06-28 Thread Robert Kirkland
We know that to obtain the maximum audio level between two devices we must match the impedances between them. The impedance of mono and stereo headsets vary widely a good way to tell is if you have to rotate the volume control a lot to get a small increase in volume there is a mismatch.The quest

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-28 Thread Bill NY9H
>Jim said: > Fifth, hams seem to confuse the setting of the >front panel controls with how much audio the rig can put out. Do you mean to tell me that I might be getting full audio output at 9 o clock ? wow . ; ) I suppose that goes for my gutbuster car stereo as well.. (ps to

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-28 Thread N1JM
I see there is a new review on eham where he had low headphone audio. John N1JM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Low-headphone-audio-level-tp5223384p5230894.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:52:47 -0400, Steve Ellington wrote: >The K3's audio is just fine and there's plenty of it. I agree. There are at least seven problems. First, Elecraft has a design philosophy of minimizing current drain so that a rig works well from batteries. That is a good thing, but it

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Paul Christensen
> "I always run the speaker line out to a switching system, and I terminate that line in a load safe for the radio. Then I bridge off that line with either a good big speaker and audio amp, or headphones." A while back, I found a used broadcast-quality 8 x 8 audio matrix switcher, with built-in h

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Gary Gregory
> From: > To: "Steve Ellington" ; > ; "Tom W8JI" ; > ; "Elecraft" > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level > > > > Steve, > > > > I have never found a radio with an internal s

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Steve Ellington
rOf course at 11:00 o'clock I do turn it down! Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: To: "Steve Ellington" ; ; "Tom W8JI" ; ; "Elecraft" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level > Steve, > >

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread rfenabled
To: Tom W8JI; ; Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level As far as I'm concerned, all the audio is weak on the K3. Using the same speaker, the little IC7000 blows the K3 off the desk. Maybe it's got something to do with current drain. The Icom does use considerable more power

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Grant Youngman
My way around it is reasonably straightforward. I have a GAP (BHI Anem) In-Line module on the speaker output. Besides having an excellent audio DSP capability that I use routinely on SSB, it has a 5W audio amp and plenty of gain to drive an external speaker to room filling volume levels. Gran

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Steve Ellington
t adequate but just not very loud. Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: "Tom W8JI" To: ; Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level >>> We sort of got sidetracked from the original posters remarks. It's about >&g

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Tom W8JI
>> We sort of got sidetracked from the original posters remarks. It's about >> low >> headphone level on the K3. If the level were a bit higher there would be >> no >> need to plug the headphones into the speaker jack. Similarly each pair of >> headphones you grab seems to have a different level.

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-27 Thread Mike
True on the sidetracking, but it seems to be a time honored tradition here. :-) The fone and speaker jacks on the back are separate. My remarks were intended to offer an alternative to continually plugging and unplugging stuff. Aside from the higher audio level at the rear jack, plugging the mic

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Fred Jensen
John Merrill wrote: > I have a ProSet and it is fine at around 10 o'clock. I wonder if it an > impedance thing? Left most of my hearing on the other side of the planet one night nearly a lifetime ago and I had the same problem, even with the menu set on HI. I use the Heil from Elecraft and my

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Mike, We sort of got sidetracked from the original posters remarks. It's about low headphone level on the K3. If the level were a bit higher there would be no need to plug the headphones into the speaker jack. Similarly each pair of headphones you grab seems to have a different level. I have 3

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Mike
I have the Yamaha CM5000 headset plugged into the rear panel, and toggle the external speakers with a macro. 73, Mike NF4L Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I have the same problem with the Heil Proset that I purchased from Elecraft. > I also have a Sennheiser HD280 Pro which has a higher output b

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Jim McDonald
You might consider plugging a stereo switchbox into the rear speaker jack and plugging the speaker(s) and the headphones into the switchbox. I prefer that because it's easier and involves no wear on the radio's jacks. I use an old Radio Shack "Stereo Source Audio Selector (#42-2112). That one ha

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Pete, I have the same problem with the Heil Proset that I purchased from Elecraft. I also have a Sennheiser HD280 Pro which has a higher output but is not as comfortable as the Proset. I personally think the headphone AF output should be higher. (Yes I have the config on HI). Admittedly my he

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-26 Thread Pete Smith
The answer is yes - TS-930 and Mark 5. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 6/25/2010 7:06 PM, N1JM

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread N1JM
What maybe curious is that I bet Pete used that same headset on another ( JA) radio with no problems. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Low-headphone-audio-level-tp5223384p5224021.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Judging from the various replies I have seen in the past, it would seem that the drivers used in Heil headsets do vary. Heil is very sparse with information about the amateur grade equipment, other than pictures and good words. His Pro line is spec'ed better, I guess those customers are not so

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread N1JM
I wish Heil would put the headphone impedances on his website. He must supply a wide variance in headphone impedances with his boom headsets, maybe amongst the same models. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Low-headphone-audio-level-tp5223384p5223825.html Sent

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:50:30 -0700, John Merrill wrote: >I have a ProSet and it is fine at around 10 o'clock. I wonder if it an >impedance thing? It's a combination of impedance and sensitivity. Headphone output stages are essentially constant voltage devices -- that is, they have a low output

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread John Merrill
I have a ProSet and it is fine at around 10 o'clock. I wonder if it an impedance thing? On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote: > It is already set on HI. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > > The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at > www.conteststations.com > The Reverse Beacon Network

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Pete Smith
Ah, I see - it also seems as if one side sometimes cuts in on the headphones before the other, also contributing to the impression that maybe the plug isn't in all the way. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at h

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread John Merrill
And my AF gain is set to low. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:50 PM, John Merrill wrote: > I have a ProSet and it is fine at around 10 o'clock. I wonder if it an > impedance thing? > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote: > >> It is already set on HI. >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> >> The Wor

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Pete Smith
It is already set on HI. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 6/25/2010 4:04 PM, N1JM wrote: > Have

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread N1JM
Have you tried to change AF gain in the menu? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Low-headphone-audio-level-tp5223384p5223586.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Lyle Johnson
> A tangentially related question - when I plug into the headphone jack, > it appears that I have to push the phone plug into the jack quite firmly > before the speak is cut off. Again, normal? > There is a delay of a second or so between when the headphones are detected and the speaker am

Re: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread ussv dharma
ed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM USSV DHARMA  --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Pete Smith wrote: > From: Pete Smith > Subject: [Elecraft] Low headphone audio level > To: "Elecraft List" > Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 8:53 AM > I have just gotten

[Elecraft] Low headphone audio level

2010-06-25 Thread Pete Smith
I have just gotten around to trying headphones with my new K3, and am surprised by how much audio gain is required for an adequate listening level with my old Heil BN-10 (?) headset. I often find it at 2-3 o'clock. Is this normal? Output from the internal speaker seems normal relative to the