Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-04 Thread Wes Stewart
In addition to the hard limiter Elecraft provided threshold and slope controls in the AGC system. On 9/3/2017 4:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: The advantage of controlling the gain manually is not an "old wife's tale". Rather, it's clearly just a technique that is not for everyone. AGC will

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-04 Thread Fred Moore
..@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 3:00 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers > > Just a couple of points. > > In the K3(S) there is no "RF Gain&

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
n.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 3:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers Just a couple of points. In the K3(S) there is no "RF Gain" control unless by RF gain you mean "It's not the audio gain gain contro

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Richard Lamont
On 03/09/17 20:38, Wes Stewart wrote: > The K3S blanker is slightly better than > useless. When I set it aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 > decodes multiple signals at 120 Hz intervals, which upsets sequencing. That's an inevitable consequence of how a noise blanker works. It removes

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Wes Stewart
Just a couple of points. In the K3(S) there is no "RF Gain" control unless by RF gain you mean "It's not the audio gain gain control." The "RF" gain control operates on the i-f amplifier, which is after the analog noise blanker. In this regard, it is little different from AGC, which operates

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Depending the type of noise, for repetitive pulse type noise only,  the Noise Blanker does it job.  Now one must understand that all pulse noise is not alike.  Therefore, different values of NB, both with the  IF values and with DSP values, will require some adjustments.    If the noise is not

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Keith Onishi
In my experience, NR is much better than NB against power line noise. However, NR does not work on DATA mode. I use BHI Compact In-line DSP Noise Eliminating Module, which is inserted between K3 line out and USB audio module. For effectively eliminating noise, tuning RF gain and AGC level in

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Wes Stewart
I agree. The adjustments are far too many and arcane.  I'm currently plagued with powerline noise that has yet to be fixed, although they are supposed to be working on it. The K3S blanker is slightly better than useless. When I set it aggressive enough to be audibly useful, FT8 decodes multiple

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Fred Jensen
I find the K3 NB to be surprisingly effective.  I also find that adjustment is highly dependent on the characteristics of the signal and the noise, and the effects of changing those adjustments is subtle.  The effect of a blanker on ignition noise was really astounding ... "was," because

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/3/2017 9:18 AM, K9MA wrote: I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective. BTW, the K3 noise blanker uses a filter with a bandwidth of about 100 kHz. The K3 NB is really TWO blankers, operating in two different IFs. Each can be tweaked for various kinds of noise from the

[Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2017-09-03 Thread K9MA
I have never found the K3 noise blanker to be effective. On the other hand, in side-by-side comparisons, the noise blanker in my old FT-1000D can be very effective on my ever present power line noise. However, like all noise blankers of that design, it only works if there are no strong

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-08 Thread Mike
Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:34:50 -0800 (PST), Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the tricks pulled on new guys was a customer or another salesman asking for a set of spark plugs for a Cummins, a radiator cap for a Corvair or an oil pan gasket for a Powerglide

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-08 Thread Steve Ellington
I worked in a TV factory, 1968. We sent the new guys to the supply window for a raster stretcher. Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: gdaug...@stanford.edu To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-08 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:23:01 -0500, Mike n...@nf4l.com wrote: [snip] Y'all didn't use flight line to tie that bucket under the nacelle? 73, Mike NF4L Yes, but we did that before the prop wash trick. When we sent them for prop wash we sent them to the flight line, the location of which

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-08 Thread George Jan
Early days of TV Broadcasting we sent new projectionists to the competition to get a box of sprocket holes - they always came back with them! But when we sent them for a camera cable stretcher (does exist) they wouldn't go. George AI4VZ Hi all, All of which don't exist. And in the

[Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread eric norris
Tom, I find the noise blanker on the K3 to be extremely good.  I have been plagued with power line noise for years at my QTH, and the K3 is the first rig I've owned that can knock it out.  It takes a bit of tweaking, and for reasons I don't understand the power line noise on Tuesday night

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread David Olean
, but I have not tried it at my QTH. Dave K1WHS - Original Message - From: Tom Bickley k...@hotmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:38 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers I'm overdue for a new radio (at least, that's what I am telling my XYL

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
A six cylinder diesel doesn't have ignition noise. What noise are you comparing against? 73, Guy. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest I have not found any noise the NB would not get rid of. Having said that, I have a 6 cylinder diesel that does give my

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread Matt Zilmer
A diesel fuel injection pump/system makes all kinds of electrical noise. There is no electrical ignition system in a diesel engine. 73, matt, W6NIA On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:47:52 -0500, you wrote: A six cylinder diesel doesn't have ignition noise. What noise are you comparing against? 73, Guy.

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:47:52 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net wrote: A six cylinder diesel doesn't have ignition noise. What noise are you comparing against? 73, Guy. Having said that, I have a 6 cylinder diesel that does give my TS-480SAT some measure of grief. [snip] Guy

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread Wes Stewart
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net wrote: A six cylinder diesel doesn't have ignition noise.  Actually, some old International Harvester diesels did have spark plugs.  They started on gasoline and after they warmed up, the operator switched them over to diesel :-)

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:34:50 -0800 (PST), Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the tricks pulled on new guys was a customer or another salesman asking for a set of spark plugs for a Cummins, a radiator cap for a Corvair or an oil pan gasket for a Powerglide transmission. All of which don't

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-07 Thread gdaught6
Hi all, All of which don't exist. And in the aircraft mechanic trade we sent them out to get a bucket of prop wash ;o) And in the electronics trade (tube days) we sent them out to get a drip pan for grid leak resistors. 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)

[Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread Tom Bickley
I'm overdue for a new radio (at least, that's what I am telling my XYL). In considering the purchase, unfortunately one of the major considerations I must take into account is the noise blanker function. I have recently moved to an area with A LOT of power line noise. I have high voltage lines

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Tom, You'll get a lot of opinions on noise blankers, I suspect :) Here's my 2 cents: The K3's combination of two noise blankers -- one at the 1st IF and one at the DSP -- can work wonders on all sorts of noise. But it's especially good with power-line noise (loads of that at my QTH).

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread Duncan Carter
The K3 blankers have a considerable range of adjustability of both the blanking threshold with seven steps, and the blanking pulse width with three steps, with independent settings for hardware blanking and dsp blanking. Hopefully, you can find a setting that will work without excess

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Tom, Well, I have a K3 noise blanker story for you. About two months ago, I suddenly had an S9+20 line noise problem around here. I knew it was some type of failed Edison equipment, or maybe something at a residence. It was loud enough to hear with a stubby for ANT1, and on 80m through 30m

Re: [Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread Mike
Tom, I'm a new K3 owner, coming from an ICOM PRO II, and still learning how to use the K3. I live with a pretty constant S9 or better noise level. I think most of it is power line. Whatever it is, the NB on the K3 knocks the cover off the ICOM. 73, Mike NF4L Tom Bickley wrote: I'm overdue

[Elecraft] Noise Blankers

2010-01-06 Thread rfenabled
To be honest I have not found any noise the NB would not get rid of. Having said that, I have a 6 cylinder diesel that does give my TS-480SAT some measure of grief. Just for my own knowledge I hooked the K3 to the same power lead fitted with Anderson plugs as with all my power leads, and, the