Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Joe, W4TV wrote, " Perhaps it is time to review the basis and purpose behind amateur radio and move to a "national park" model. That is a place for those who have proven that they have the necessary skills to continue to practice those "ancient" and no longer commercially viable skills. Consider

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread stan levandowski
I'm very happy with Amateur Radio (or "ham radio" for those who prefer).  It might not be perfect, whatever that measure might be,  but it affords me the opportunity to participate in the world's greatest hobby in the manner I so choose. Had our hobby not grown as it did, I wonder if

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Kevin - K4VD
Wait a moment. ​I do not subscribe to the notion that today's hams are any less capable than hams of the old days. ​I think that is old-timer thinking bordering on the curmudgeonly. "Kids these days." Today's hams know different things. Things some OT's may not understand, value or appreciate but

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks, let's end this thread at this time. It has reoccurred periodically many times in the past and can easily be perused in our archives. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread EricJ
I agree with this paragraph, Joe, however, I strongly disagree that a knowledge of CW at any speed is a reasonable or even a relevant standard for entry in the 21st Century. There is no evidence that a knowledge of CW makes a license holder better equipped to advance the state of the art

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Rose
Yeah but ... (;-) Your arguments are correct Even at the time of the no code committee meetings it was glaringly apparent that it was ... essentially ... a case of raw numbers. Politically we needed ... and now even more so ... need our "body count" in the face of the economic and political

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Given that amateur radio in the US is now completely "no code" - there is no need to become proficient even for an Amateur Extra class license - the early "no code" steps were a Faustian bargain just as the fiction of "semi-automatic control" for digital operations was a Faustian bargain. As

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Daniel B. Curtis
Ken I have learning disabilities. It would have been impossible for me to get an Amateur Radio license without your efforts. I have spent been 5 years trying to learn code and am now am almost competent at receiving 12wpm (I am trying to learn it because it is hard for me and hits all my

Re: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Kevin - K4VD
​Hi Ken: As a CW operator, I think you did well in helping to secure the future of Amateur Radio (proud to be a ham). Years later it seems apparent to me the impact has been generally positive. Your last comment... "Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some "first

[Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background

2016-08-01 Thread Ken G Kopp
I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. Took the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I was a commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. I'm one of the six people who created