Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-30 Thread F5vjc
Interesting, So, given a decent mic insert the overall audio response is very much coloured by the housing of the the insert... Close talking a mic gives a better S/N ratio, less background noise and room colouration, but yields too much bass due to proximity effect? How to overcome too much

[Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Hello everybody! Ever since i got my new P3 - i've been looking at people's signals (naturally). And i've noticed the following: When using USB on 10 meters, talking locally, there are a couple of folks that use ICOM radios and i can see these spikes on the left of the carrier. Normally, in USB,

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread David Cole
Hi Slava, I have also noticed this, is the robotic sound you are referring to a low frequency sort of wha wha sound which modulates along with the normal voice signal. I have heard this before as well, and had a friend describe it as typical Icom, which leaves me in the dark about what it is,

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
A spike on the left of a USB signal is normally an indication of insufficient carrier suppression (carrier leakage). Signal to the left of that is generally insufficient opposite sideband suppression (sideband leakage) or regenerated sideband due to excess IMD in the transmitter. However, if

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
One additional note ... it is not necessary to be running ESSB to generate the false carrier. Bandwidth is not an issue - only that there be *excess* low frequency drive to the modulator (analog or DSP). False carrier (ringing below 50 Hz) tends to be most common in situations where low

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread David Cole
Thank you Joe, I have been looking for an explanation of most of what you covered here for several months. I'll pass it on to my buddy that mentioned the Icom sound! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see;

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Fred Jensen
Not sure it is limited to dynamic mics. I supported myself in college working on the engineering crew at the local TV station. The Station Mgr once complained that the newscaster boomed. I recorded myself using his velocity mic [the large iconic RCA which had a prismatic shape] on an Ampex

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/29/2014 9:32 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: As I got closer, I became more and more a bass. Our anchorman was right up on top of the mic sitting on his desk. That characteristic of a mic is called proximity effect, and is the result of the combining of front and rear openings to a mic capsule

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 4/29/2014 12:32 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Not sure it is limited to dynamic mics. Proximity effect is not limited to dynamic mics. But it seems to be more common with dynamic mics used for amateur service because the electret has both a higher output level and more low end to start with. I

Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3

2014-04-29 Thread Dave Barr
On 4/29/2014 3:52 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:32:33 -0700 From: Fred Jensenk6...@foothill.net To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signal analysis with the P3 ... I recorded myself using his velocity mic [the large iconic