The thing about the RS-232 interface is that it doesn't limit anyone's
options.You can use it with an RS-232 port on the computer, or with a USB
interface via an adapter. You can also use it for remote control over
Ethernet using one of the couple of remote rig products I've seen
advertised
K6LE said:
I personally don't see the angst.
I have to agree.
Most of the angst seems to come from those who think that USB to Serial
adapters should be plug and play without doing any work. While such an idea
sounds like it makes sense, the reality is quite different.
Getting these things to
I personally have tried about 5 different adapters. Even USB-RS232 adapters
from with the same chip set different sources seem to function differently.
It took 5 adapters before I found one that would work with my laptop.
Personally, I think the issue is that different adaptors function
N3PSJ-2 wrote:
A good ethernet interface which communicates without using any rs-232
serial
bus protocall internal would be best.
Until the software vendors get their software upgraded you could use one
of
the free programs that create a virtual serial port and forward the
commands
Why use rs232 emulation at all?
Emulation = not necessarily a good thing
When you plug in a high speed USB disk you wouldn't expect the data to be
handled via rs232 emulation would you?
When you plug in a Ethernet device you wouldn't expect the data to be
handled via rs232 emulation would you?
: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:10 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst - move beyond emulation
Why use rs232 emulation at all?
Emulation = not necessarily a good thing
When you plug in a high speed USB disk you wouldn't expect
the data to be handled via
, but am unwilling to trust my
operating time to TenTec software.
Lu Romero - W4LT
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:35:45 -0400
From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
To: 'Eric Manning' eric.mann...@engr.uvic.ca,
elecraft
Lu Romero - W4LT wrote:
I did some research and tried a myriad of manufacturers.
From Belkin to Radio shack to BB Engineering, Some worked,
some did not. I have found one unit which, to date, has
handled EVERYTHING I have thrown at it with total
reliability at a very attractive price.
And I have one from IOGear that looks exactly like it, too. My final choice
after trying many, including the much praised Keyspan. This is the only one
which does not occasionally blue-screen LP-Bridge.
AB2TC - Knut
Julian, G4ILO wrote:
snip
That looks *exactly* like the one I've got,
: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
All in favour of a USB port on the K3?
Then we could forget about un-necessary, expensive , flaky and
crash-prone USB to serial adapters.
THe serial port with its RS-232 interface is obsolete. It
dates back to
the 70's if not earlier and was superseded by USB
12, 2010 10:05 PM
To: n...@nf4l.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
A lot of PCs that don't have a serial port actually do have the
electronics on the motherboard. If so, you can mount your own DB-9
connector on the rear panel and wire it to the motherboard
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Eric Manning eric.mann...@engr.uvic.ca wrote:
The conservative spirit is alive and well. USB seen as a dangerous and
radical innovation, forsooth.
Demonizing the other side with a label (or two) is cheap.
It is SO easy (and tempting) to concoct self-serving
Comments embedded.
On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Eric Manning wrote:
Placing a USB port in the K3 would simply move the USB UART
currently found in the USB to serial converter onto the KIO3
board.
Correct, and would thus avoid the un-necessary and superfluous
packaging
and connector
Great debate, but perhaps misplaced?
Would not a better answer be an Ethernet connection on the K3?
73,
Steve
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org wrote:
Comments embedded.
On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Eric Manning wrote:
Placing a USB port in the K3 would
computer
and am happy as a bug now.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
From: S Sacco nn4x.st...@gmail.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 7:17:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
Great debate, but perhaps
Totally agree, a direct Ethernet connection would open a world of
possibilities, remote operation without a remote PC and also remove the
driver dependencies that plague the USB to serial arena. I suspect it
will not be long before we see it on the mainstream manufacturers
equipment.
Regards.
Steve,
I agree that both RS-232 and 802.1 (Ethernet) are standard
communications protocols and can be viable.
BUT
How many of the ham applications today operate over an Ethernet connection?
Do you want to give up your favorite logger or radio control application
because the author has coded for
I guess you don't consider Ten-Tec as a mainstream manufacturer.
The Omni VII has had a direct Ethernet connection for a couple of years.
The concept is great and I enjoyed using it but the point that several have
made that no current logging programs use ethernet as an interface makes it
less
There are several free software applications that emulate an rs-232 port and
send the rs-232 commands to a configured ethernet IP address and port.
They work very similar to LP Bridge, but they allow you to forward the
communication to the ethernet port. Once the software is installed it
creates
Ken,
Agreed from the applications perspective, but the TCP/IP stack has to be
implemented at the device end too. That is not just a simple 'add-on'.
It requires not only the hardware interface layer, but the transport
layer and the protocol layer as well as the application layer to be
You are certainly right that there would need to be some intelligence added
in on the hardware side. Some of the newer pic controllers like the
pic18f87j60 (I happen to be playing with that one now) have much of the
functionality built into the controller and there are libraries for the
routines,
PM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
The conservative spirit is alive and well. USB seen as a
dangerous and
radical innovation, forsooth.
On 3/13/2010 5:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
That is completely uninformed
All in favour of a USB port on the K3?
Then we could forget about un-necessary, expensive , flaky and
crash-prone USB to serial adapters.
THe serial port with its RS-232 interface is obsolete. It dates back to
the 70's if not earlier and was superseded by USB.
eric
VA7DZ
S/N 3640
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Folks, I asked Elecraft about this before I bought my rig in January; they said
it's on the list but not as easy to do as one might think. I figured they
could just drop an FTDI chipset into the rig in place of the RS232 jack, but it
seems that it's not all that simple.
Patience is a virtue.
No no no
Just add Ethernet.
On Mar 13, 2010, at 2:08 PM, eric manning eric.mann...@engr.uvic.ca
wrote:
All in favour of a USB port on the K3?
Then we could forget about un-necessary, expensive , flaky and
crash-prone USB to serial adapters.
THe serial port with its RS-232 interface
Great idea as long as Elecraft provide and maintain drivers that work
with
Win2K
WinXP,
Vista/32 bit
Vista/64 bit
Win7/32 bit
Win7/64 bit
Mac OS X 10.5 PPC,
Mac OS X 10.5 Intel,
Mac OS X 10.6,
and the various versions of Linux (32 and 64 bit).
I'm all for it.
73
--
Joe KB8AP
On Mar 13, 2010,
At 11:08 AM 3/13/2010 -0800, you wrote:
All in favour of a USB port on the K3?
For what purpose? If a USB port is provided for the sole purpose of
sending control data then there is little if any advantage over the RS232
port aside from the fact your computer may not include one. If the
All one needs is a TI PCM2902 and a FTDI USB to RS232 chip and a little
support analogy bits and poof you can have all that. Heck I'd even bet
it could be put onto a board small enough you could fit it inside your
K3 and you'd also have full support for all of the OSes you wish!
~Brett
On Sat,
Actually its exactly that simple...
I'm not sure that people would consider that an improvement as the only
thing it does is move the USB to RS232 adapter into the radio rather
than an external adapter but I think if everyone was using FTDI adapters
there would be a lot fewer complaints about the
in
December has solved the problem.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
To: Lew Phelps K6LMP k6...@me.com
Cc: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
On a related topic, can anyone recommend a multiport (4 or more)
usb-serial that works without issue on linux?
The kernel documentation for usb-serial is in the kernel tree at
Documentation/usb/usb-serial.txt with recommendations, but it's always
nice to hear first hand success stories.
Thanks!
One can have the simple solution right now. Just get a USB to serial
adapter that has jackscrews on its serail end and permanently mount it
on the back of the K3 - cable over to a USB port on the computer and one
has that simple solution. Support for the proper device drivers is the
I was thinking it might fit onto the next mod of the I/O board...
Brett Howard wrote:
All one needs is a TI PCM2902 and a FTDI USB to RS232 chip and a little
support analogy bits and poof you can have all that. Heck I'd even bet
it could be put onto a board small enough you could fit it
On 3/13/2010 1:57 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
I have seen some reports that a new Prolific driver released in
December has solved the problem.
If that is true, where does one find said driver? I have not
yet hooked up my K2 to MixW under Windows XP for frequency
logging and would appreciate
@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
On 3/13/2010 1:57 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
I have seen some reports that a new Prolific driver released in
December has solved the problem.
If that is true, where does one find said driver? I have not
yet hooked up my K2 to MixW
' Cooke
K5EWJ
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
To: Lew Phelps K6LMP k6...@me.com
Cc: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
Actually its exactly that simple...
I'm
PM
To: eric manning
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
Great idea as long as Elecraft provide and maintain drivers
that work
with
Win2K
WinXP,
Vista/32 bit
Vista/64 bit
Win7/32 bit
Win7/64 bit
Mac OS X 10.5 PPC,
Mac OS X 10.5 Intel,
Mac
with the 8250 compatible UART).
73,
... Joe, W4TV
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of eric manning
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:08 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB
.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:41 PM
To: Joe Planisky
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; eric manning
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:08 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
All in favour of a USB port on the K3?
Then we could forget about un-necessary, expensive , flaky and
crash-prone USB to serial adapters.
THe serial port with its RS-232
, 2010 3:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst
Actually its exactly that simple...
I'm not sure that people would consider that an improvement as the only
thing it does is move the USB to RS232 adapter into the radio rather
than an external adapter but I think if everyone was using FTDI
For those suffering from lack of a real serial port, something I found
today may interest you. PC's with a real serial port, and a parallel
port to boot (no pun intended). There are a couple of differently
equipped ones on the page. It has no OS installed, so you'll need one.
I ordered one. If
A lot of PCs that don't have a serial port actually do have the
electronics on the motherboard. If so, you can mount your own DB-9
connector on the rear panel and wire it to the motherboard.
The motherboard connector is often a 10-pin (two rows of 5 pins) header
with one pin removed to give a
Those looking for a computer with a real serial port may want to
consider the IBM (Leveno) off-lease computers that are often offered by
TigerDirect www.tigerdirect.com. Many (even most) come with 2 serial
ports and are usually loaded with WinXP Pro. There are likely other
vendors of these
Don wrote...
Those looking for a computer with a real serial port may want to
consider the IBM (Leveno) off-lease computers that are often offered by
TigerDirect www.tigerdirect.com. Many (even most) come with 2 serial
ports and are usually loaded with WinXP Pro. There are likely other
You can skip the middleman and go right to the source:
http://www.ibm.com/products/specialoffers/us/en/icue.html
I've bought a couple and the ones I received were like new. Keep
watching the site as
inventory changes rapidly. Sometimes there are even % off sales.
73,
Bob
K2TK
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