Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread David Cutter
In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose pre audio, ie with no discernable delays. One of the biggest annoyances I've had in a contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic because they don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice. Feedback is also

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose pre audio, ie with no discernable delays. One of the biggest annoyances I've had in a contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic because they don't or can't listen

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Bob Naumann
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3 In my view, if it has to be one

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Luis V. Romero
From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3 To: li...@subich.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 46f338981001170933r14a06cd4s7800076afa8be...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can believe anyone who says

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-16 Thread Dr. Werner Furlan
hi all, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL schrieb am 15 Jan 2010 um 19:29: Lyle said: ...Most people do not notice... Maybe most people simply don't complain? I have lots of friends with K3s (I mean LOTS) and I am not aware of even one who does NOT notice the delay. Of course, all my friends are

[Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-16 Thread Hector Padron
Well this might seem too long to discuss but I still can't hear with my 60 years old ears any delay when I am  using the monitor,here is recording I did this morning using the Yamaha CM500 monitoring myself with the K3 monitor,the audio from the rear line out conector going to the lap top line

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-16 Thread pd0psb
Hi Hector, This is not about a delay in the monitoring signal itself. It is about a delay between the audio coming out of your first modulator (the mouth :-) and the radio's monitor out. Due to calculations/AD-DA in dsp there will always be a certain delay (latency), which imho is quite small in

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-16 Thread Oliver Grossmann
Hi all, There will be always people they care about the delay and people they don't care about it. A year ago I talked about this topic in this list. I use the monitor for 2 thinks: 1st) to adjust audio. For this it is great to have it after all signal processing and delay isn't critical. 2nd)

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
One thing that I get out of the delay is that it keeps it from causing feedback into my mike, so I can leave it up enough that in contests so I can listen to the canned speech from the computer. I can hear my own voice better because it's off the bone conduction audio (mentioned by someone else).

Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-16 Thread Lyle Johnson
Is it possible to select pre vs. post audio for the MON? I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-) 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

[Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Lyle said: ...Most people do not notice... Maybe most people simply don't complain? I have lots of friends with K3s (I mean LOTS) and I am not aware of even one who does NOT notice the delay. Of course, all my friends are contesters, so maybe we are a picky group. :-) I found it better to do

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread Al Lorona
I just consulted with my wife about this. She is a speeth pathologist and audiologist. There is actually a slight benefit to be gained by delaying the monitor signal ever so slightly. The benefit is you hear yourself a bit more accurately than if there were no delay whatsoever. The reason is

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread Al Lorona
] monitor delay I just consulted with my wife about this. She is a speeth pathologist and audiologist. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:29:33 -0500, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: Maybe most people simply don't complain? ALL digital systems have some delay (known as latency) for two reasons. First, there must be A/D and D/A conversion. Second, any DSP system requires some processing cycles to do what it does.

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread Gary Hinson
Lyle said: ...Most people do not notice... Maybe most people simply don't complain? I have lots of friends with K3s (I mean LOTS) and I am not aware of even one who does NOT notice the delay. Of course, all my friends are contesters, so maybe we are a picky group. :-) I also notice the

Re: [Elecraft] monitor delay

2010-01-15 Thread Grant Youngman
Maybe most people simply don't complain? I have lots of friends with K3s (I mean LOTS) and I am not aware of even one who does NOT notice the delay. Of course, all my friends are contesters, so maybe we are a picky group. :-) Picky ... hm. I'd worry most about the fact that you