[EM] very simple email poll

2007-03-04 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Hello folks, I would be very glad if all of you would take one minute's time to answer this very simple email poll! Consider a situation with three options A,B,C and only two voters, whose ratings* are as follows: voter 1: A 100, C 50, B 0 voter 2: B 100, C 50, A 0 Now please answer these

Re: [EM] weighted voters, success rate

2007-03-04 Thread heitzig-j
Are we supposed to understand what Warren wants to say with this? re puzzle 33 at http://rangevoting.org/PuzzlePage.html the answer is W_K = const * (2 P_K - 1) / (4 P_K [1-P_K]) wds _ In 5 Schritten zur eigenen

Re: [EM] very simple email poll

2007-03-04 Thread raphfrk
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consider a situation with three options A,B,C and only two voters, whose ratings* are as follows: voter 1: A 100, C 50, B 0 voter 2: B 100, C 50, A 0 Now please answer these three questions with yes or no: 1. Is C socially preferable to A? ___

Re: [EM] it's pleocracy, not democracy

2007-03-04 Thread Juho
On Mar 2, 2007, at 12:40 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: [sorry if this comes twice, but it didn't seem to get thru the first time] Dear folks, some clarification because in recent posts democracy and majority rule were confused quite often... In a dictatorial system, almost all people have no

Re: [EM] very simple email poll

2007-03-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:26 AM 3/4/2007, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Hello folks, I would be very glad if all of you would take one minute's time to answer this very simple email poll! Well, the problem with ad-hoc polls is that the answers depend on the questions, and ask the wrong questions, you'll get misleading

[EM] Juho--Margins fails Plurality. WV passes.

2007-03-04 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Juho-- In a posting to a different mailing list, Markus pointed out that margins fails the Plurality Criterion, and that wv Condorcet passes the Plurality Criterion. For me, Plurality isn't essential. For instance, I consider MDDA a good proposal. But if we're going to have the added

[EM] Juho--Strategy-resistance

2007-03-04 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Juho said: I very much support evaluating also the performance with sincere votes / the utility function that a methods tries to implement (in addition to evaluating its strategy resistance). I reply: Often, when people speak of methods in terms of strategy, they speak of

Re: [EM] What is the ideal election method for sincere voters?

2007-03-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:51 AM 3/4/2007, Juho wrote: On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:06 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: If we cannot agree on the best method with sincere votes, we are highly unlikely to agree on the best method in the presence of strategic voting, though I suppose it is possible Range is good with sincere

Re: [EM] it's pleocracy, not democracy

2007-03-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:29 PM 3/4/2007, Juho wrote: Single winner at its purest is just electing one of a number of candidates, giving no consideration to if it was the same voters that last time got their way through. Basic single winner methods maybe have worse utility than ones that take distribute the power

Re: [EM] What is the ideal election method for sincere voters?

2007-03-04 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:41 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Let's consider the method of deriving social utility from individual utilities to be a detail. There seems to be some general agreement that simple summing is not without value, but it is also clear that summation is a