[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Simple two candidate election

2007-12-25 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 11:18 PM 12/23/2007, rob brown wrote: On Dec 23, 2007 7:28 PM, Kevin Venzke mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Range to work as well as hoped, it is important that voters do *not* realize how to vote effectively.

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

2007-12-25 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Juho! You wrote: I could imagine a voting system that might address this issue for larger groups, but it isn't Range. One could have elections that take into account e.g. proportionality in time (that could be called one kind of reciprocity) (favour a republican after a democrat,

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Simple two candidate election

2007-12-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:47 AM 12/25/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: [...] Range, voted with full strategic effect, reduces to Approval Voting, which may reduce to bullet voting. It *still* is not Plurality, because it only takes a few percent of voters adding multiple votes to eliminate the spoiler effect. So

[Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to

2007-12-25 Thread Kathy Dopp
- Allen, Your statement is flatly false. in a non-runoff FPTP single-person-position system, every voter has their first place choice tabulated and no one has any second-choice considered and all voters' ballots are treated equally. This is obviously not true with IRV. Kathy Date: Tue, 25

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2007-12-25 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Yes some voters have second-choice considered but they are all still treated equally. I agree when you say IRV voters whose first-choice loses in the first round have their second choices considered. I do not understand why you conclude that then obviously IRV does not consider the ballots

[Election-Methods] a story for christmas

2007-12-25 Thread rob brown
I decided to write a little story to share with the voting geeks on Christmas. Enjoy and Merry Christmas! -rob A large housing complex was under construction, and a locksmith was hired to install the locks on all the apartments. He suggested that they key all the locks to use the same key.

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

2007-12-25 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Thanks for your comments Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (what name should I call you?) I do find that ballots (2nd choices) of some, but not all voters is considered with IRV, and hence my opinion is that it does not treat all voters' ballots equally

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Simple two candidate election

2007-12-25 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 09:47 AM 12/25/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: [...] Range, voted with full strategic effect, reduces to Approval Voting, which may reduce to bullet voting. It *still* is not Plurality, because it only takes a few percent of voters