Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:01:45 -0400
From: Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines
Well here is where you and I differ. I think if electoral fraud in the
US were eliminated, it would be a good thing, but not dramatically
change things,
RE: Civitas: Toward a Secure Voting System
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/papers/civitas.html
as mentioned by Andrew Myers of Cornell
I will add it to my to do list to read about Civitas when I finish a
few other projects. For now, I took the liberty of asking a few
computer scientists who are
I could see a kind of proxy front end to STV elections. I'm not sure I'm
convinced it would be a good idea, or even practical to implement, but
suppose that any person or group (including parties) could register an
STV ranking, and a voter could select that ranking instead of ranking
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
I am for a record on disk of each ballot, but done in a maner
to not destroy secrecy.
You have to be very careful when doing so, because there are many
channels to secure. A vote-buyer might tell you to vote exactly at
noon
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:27:10 -0700 Jonathan Lundell wrote:
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
I am for a record on disk of each ballot, but done in a maner to
not destroy secrecy.
You have to be very careful when doing so, because there are many
channels to
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:01:45 -0400
From: Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines
Well here is where you and I differ. I think if electoral fraud in the
US were
To clarify:
Kristofer
Me
Kristofer
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:54:28 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
As I say above, we are in trouble. Until we both fix the machines and
demonstrate success of the repairs, such use of paper backups makes sense.
Complicating all this, paper
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM, rob brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not believe that such fraud changes the
outcome of a large percentage of elections, and in those it does, it
was pretty close anyway.
And how do you know this since elections are not subjected to
independent audits
On Aug 16, 2008, at 0:51 , James Gilmour wrote:
Juho Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:27 PM
I understood that in this case the parties were irrelevant and
therefore basic lists may be sufficient to put in place a structure
that covers all the relevant questions.
If by party we mean a formal
On Aug 16, 2008, at 17:15 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
I could see a kind of proxy front end to STV elections. I'm not
sure I'm convinced it would be a good idea, or even practical to
implement, but suppose that any person or group (including
parties) could register an STV ranking, and
On Aug 17, 2008, at 3:49 , Jonathan Lundell wrote:
On Aug 16, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:27:10 -0700 Jonathan Lundell wrote:
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
I am for a record on disk of each ballot, but done in a
maner to
On Aug 16, 2008, at 1:00 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Also, such a scheme would be, I think, highly susceptible to
agenda manipulation: who decides which issue is to be effectively
on the ballot, and who decides that the candidates associated
with X and not-X are sincere?
Citizens are
On Aug 16, 2008, at 0:48 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jobst Heitzig said:
It is of no help for a minority to be represented
proportionally when still a mere 51% majority can make all
decisions!
I disagree. The advantage is that it allows 'on the fly'
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rob,
You can tell when someone has absolutely no facts to back them up when
they attack and disparage the person rather than the issue that is
under discussion. So anyone who has done actual research on the issue
that
On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Juho wrote:
I wonder what kind of a vote-by-mail system is in use there. If it
is just based on ordinary mail that one can send from one's home or
anywhere (and doesn't offer any way to cancel and replace the vote)
then that seems to offer opportunities for
On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Juho wrote:
I was thinking of the regular political parties that otherwise exist
in the country but that are not relevant in these school elections.
But you
cannot have lists without some comparable formal procedures. And
in any event, basic lists are never
Rob,
I noticed that you did not try to answer one of my sincere questions
to you (I am a highly skilled teacher whose college classes always had
the highest score of all the classes taught by all the professors and
other TA's on any department-wide final mathematics exams. I did this
by
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