Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PRfavoringracialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread James Gilmour
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:18 AM, James Gilmour wrote: Here are some more data on exhausted ballot in real STV-PR elections: TASMANIAN HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY POLLS 1913-2006: INCIDENCE OF EXHAUSTED VOTES http://home.vicnet.net.au/~prsa/history/tas_exha.htm Raph Frank Sent: Monday,

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PR favoring racialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread James Gilmour
Raph Frank Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:55 PM On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, James Gilmour I don't think registered voter chosen lists will ever get off the ground. The compromise was that each candidate would pick his own list. No political party is ever going to tolerate that

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PRfavoringracialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: This is a very interesting real life example on how such horizontal preference orders may impact the elections and strategies in them. Do you have a list of the strategies/tricks that are used? One trick that appears, as has been mentioned in other posts here, is vote

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PR favoring racialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:00 AM, James Gilmour wrote: I have to say I just do not understand the obsession with lists. I can understand why countries that have used party list PR for many decades are (mostly) content not to change, but those countries have at least a century of a very different

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PR favoring racialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread Raph Frank
On 8/18/08, Jonathan Lundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:00 AM, James Gilmour wrote: I have to say I just do not understand the obsession with lists. An assumption, I think, that voters won't have the patience and attention span to evaluate a long list of candidates, and

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PR favoring racialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread James Gilmour
Jonathan Lundell Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:09 PM On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:00 AM, James Gilmour wrote: I have to say I just do not understand the obsession with lists. I can understand why countries that have used party list PR for many decades are (mostly) content not to change,

Re: [EM] [Election-Methods] [english 94%] PR favoring racialminorities

2008-08-18 Thread James Gilmour
Raph Frank Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:50 PM On 8/18/08, Jonathan Lundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:00 AM, James Gilmour wrote: I have to say I just do not understand the obsession with lists. An assumption, I think, that voters won't have the patience and

Re: [EM] Civitas: Toward a Secure Voting System

2008-08-18 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: Civitas: Toward a Secure Voting System http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/papers/civitas.html as mentioned by Andrew Myers of Cornell FYI, One more informative response to the Civitas Voting System from a voting system

Re: [EM] Incorporating slates into STV (was: PRfavoringracialminorities)

2008-08-18 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Aaron Armitage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also stuck with plurality, and I agree entirely that plain-vanilla STV s a vast improvement Right. Whatever PR-STV's flaws, they are minor compared to plurality. If we wants slates that run as teams and are voted

Re: [EM] Incorporating slates into STV (was: PRfavoringracialminorities)

2008-08-18 Thread Aaron Armitage
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are aiming for CPO-STV. Not really. My system is obviously influenced by CPO-STV, but uses a completely different method for determining the pairwise comparisons. If slates are incorporated into CPO-STV it would seem