Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: On 8/22/08, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understand Schulze's STV method correctly, it calculates vote management strengths and so does vote management on behalf of the voter and on all candidates. I may be wrong, though, and Schulze STV uses a very

Re: [EM] PRfavoringracialminorities

2008-08-25 Thread Raph Frank
On 8/25/08, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The divisor method choice differs not just when you're by the threshold, but also at the discontinuity points of their respective rounding. Also, I think that if you're going to use a divisor method, there's no point in not using

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Raph Frank
On 8/25/08, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a problem with this way of thinking, as can be made general to explicit voting schemes (such as ones based directly on opinion axes), and that is that it's impossible to ensure perfect representation on all the axes, so one

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread James Gilmour
Jonathan Lundell Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:42 PM On Aug 25, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Dividing a nation into districts before performing STV elections is itself a constraint on the geographical distribution of the candidates. If constraints should be done

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for fairness, consider the case where more than just enough voters voted for candidate X. With your you either get full strength or no strength scheme, some voters are going to look at the

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: On Aug 24, 2008, at 1:34 , James Gilmour wrote: Juho Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:56 PM Trying to guarantee proportionality for women at national level may be tricky if there is no woman party that the candidates and voters could name (well, the sex of a candidate is

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That could work, since additional votes for A increase the weighting, meaning that a vote for A isn't wasted even if A wins. Right, you basically lose your share of the votes that went to allow A to win. Let's

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Juho
On Aug 25, 2008, at 18:05 , James Gilmour wrote: I do appreciate that the political culture is very different in countries that have used party list PR voting systems for many decades. Their electors seem perfectly happy with the whole country as one district for PR, but they often have

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: On Aug 22, 2008, at 12:36 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:10 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: If we are taking about methods that rank the candidates the idea is to define a grammar and terminology so that the most common voter opinions

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Juho
On Aug 26, 2008, at 0:46 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: In order to guarantee proportionality (of any imaginable grouping) at national level we may need to allow the voters to rank all candidates nation wide (as you noted). The next question then is if we allow the voters of one district

Re: [EM] PR favoring racial minorities

2008-08-25 Thread Juho
On Aug 26, 2008, at 1:20 , Raph Frank wrote: Each candidate can register in any number of polling stations covering at most N seat's worth of population. (N=5 might be reasonable). You might want to keep the sizes of the registered areas of each candidate about equal (or to balance the