Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:03:47 -0400 Brian Olson wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:30 AM, AllAbout Voting wrote: So I will ask a pair of constructive questions: 1. Can Condorcet voting be compatible with precinct level optical scan systems? (which many election integrity advocates consider to be

Re: [EM] Idea for a free web service for (relatively) secure online voting

2008-10-07 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Mike Frank wrote: Hello, I was thinking of building a free public web service, perhaps operated by a charitable NPO, that would allow organizations (including perhaps small governments) to operate online elections in a way that offers some sophisticated modern security features. In addition

Re: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Aaron Armitage
On your site, you also include a brief attacking multiwinner STV, at http://electionmathematics.org/em-IRV/ReplyMemoJG10-6-08.pdf. Do you agree with the argument presented? --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
FYI, Update - the hearing on IRV has been postponed on the request of the City of Minneapolis. My affidavit for Plaintiffs suing to stop the adoption of Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) in Minneapolis, MN, as well as Plaintiffs' briefs in the legal case, are posted at http://electionmathematics.org

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, Kathy Dopp wrote (7 Oct 2008): My affidavit for Plaintiffs suing to stop the adoption of Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) in Minneapolis, MN, as well as Plaintiffs' briefs in the legal case, are posted at http://electionmathematics.org at the top of the Instant Runoff Voting page. I

Re: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Armitage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type:

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Markus Schulze wrote: I browsed through the links of that site. It is interesting to see that FairVote Minnesota is planning to use the claim, that all election methods violate monotonicity, even at court. They write: The non-monotonicity argument is irrelevant

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Jonathan Lundell, you wrote (7 Oct 2008): Their specific argument, though, is that the existing two-round plurality system is non-monotonic; they don't actually rely on the argument that all voting systems are non-monotonic. Well, the second paper is more general. Here they use Arrow's

Re: [EM] Idea for a free web service for (relatively) secure online voting

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Frank
Hello, Thank you for the detailed and thoughtful critique. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would this system work? I guess you could use blind signatures to submit the actual votes, but how would it ensure the voters that their votes are

Re: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Aaron Armitage
But this must be true of any multiwinner system when the voters do not fall into blocs that are evenly divisible by the number of seats, including (especially) plurality when considered by reference to the overall popular vote. And as for single-winner systems, as bad as IRV is, it's massively

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Markus Schulze wrote: Dear Jonathan Lundell, you wrote (7 Oct 2008): Their specific argument, though, is that the existing two-round plurality system is non-monotonic; they don't actually rely on the argument that all voting systems are non-monotonic. Well, the