Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Jonathan Lundell wrote:
All of this would be finessed by the National Popular Vote idea:
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
It'd effectively result in a national FPTP plurality election, hardly
ideal, but definitely an improvement.
The Electoral College is,
Good Afternoon, Dave
Thank you for the Vito Marcantonio story. The story is not unique, but
it is a good example of how political parties make rules and enact laws
that give them a stranglehold on our political infrastructure.
Parties are institutions of humans. They function precisely as
Two small corrections on the U.S. electoral college amendment issue:
1. The Senate does not need to be involved in amending the constitution.
2/3 of the state legislatures can initiate an amendment that then needs
ratification by 3/4 of the states.
2. Small states may indeed be convinced to
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Terry Bouricius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. The Senate does not need to be involved in amending the constitution.
2/3 of the state legislatures can initiate an amendment that then needs
ratification by 3/4 of the states.
The convention route is not that simple.
Hallo,
Dave Ketchum wrote (20 Oct 2008):
It may be difficult, but useless to claim impossible.
Could start the thinking by considering weighting
the votes from the small states, consistent with
the advantage they get via the Electoral College.
Here is my recommendation (how the votes of the
My understanding -- though I can't find the information on this at the
moment -- is that in prior attempts to abolish the Electoral College,
the votes from legislators in small states didn't differ significantly
from the votes in large states. The EC as is doesn't deliver much
attention to the
Paul Kislanko wrote:
There are several ways to make ballots-counted public record without
compromising the anonymity of ballots-cast. The trick is to assign a unique
key to each POTENTIAL ballot-cast, and expose said key only to the voter who
casts an actual ballot.
The collecting authority
Hallo,
Greg wrote (21 Oct 2008):
My understanding -- though I can't find the information
on this at the moment -- is that in prior attempts to
abolish the Electoral College, the votes from legislators
in small states didn't differ significantly from the
votes in large states.
This is what
Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote (Sat.Oct.18):
Because Smith is more complex to explain, my current favorite election
method is Condorcet//Approval. We don't need complex algorithms to find a
winner.
You could also have the approval version of Smith,IRV. Call it
Condorcet,Approval. I think it's
(snip)
However, it's hard to change the Constitution. Maybe it would be more
feasible to make reforms that aren't perceived as shifting the balance
of power between states. For example,
* Define the Electoral College apportionment as the Huntington-Hill
apportionment of 435
Raph Frank wrote:
Another option is to use the original ballots. In Australia, for
their PR-STV seats, the ballots are reexamined after a vacancy and the
results calculated a second time. However, no candidate who is still
sitting in the parliament can be eliminated (i.e. you can't lose your
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To be more general, let's call ordinary loser-elimination methods
0-elimination(X), where X is the base method. 1-elimination(X) successively
eliminates the winners, according to X, then eliminates the last one
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Stephen Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In terms of population then, both houses
of the U.S. Congress give extra influence to small states
like Wyoming, whereas the Senate was created as
it is precisely as a countervailing force to the large
states, in the
Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:51:55 -0700 Bob Richard wrote:
Some states may not be up to Condorcet instantly. Let them
stay with FPTP
until they are ready to move up. Just as a Condorcet voter
can choose to rank
only a single candidate, for a state full of
Sorry, this is a resend as I didn't cc the list.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Schulze's STV proposal uses a proportional completion for this purpose. As
far as I understand, the proportional completion is an extension of the PR
result, for
What is the best design for a legislature?
Parliaments come in several flavors:
1. districted single winner contests
2. party-based systems
3. mutlwinner methods
4. delegation
My friend and I were debating Largest Rem + Referendum (2) vs Delegation (4).
My argument was essentially this:
LRRef
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Bob Richard
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Please provide a simple example of a Condorcet matrix synthesized out of an
FPTP ranking. Apparently I'm not understanding this at all -- maybe there
*is* a way to look at this that doesn't involve truncation.
The only way
Raph Frank wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Stephen Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In terms of population then, both houses
of the U.S. Congress give extra influence to small states
like Wyoming, whereas the Senate was created as
it is precisely as a countervailing force to the
It's more damaging. A precondition for this sort of behavior is
verifiability. If a politician knew who voted for him and could reward
them, then you would see more policies like that. It happens in real
life. Congressional voting records are public. If it weren't so,
lobbyists wouldn't try.
You
Basing the following on NY law.
Each voter, who chooses to, enrolls in ONE party (state keeps registration
records, so one voter cannot be enrolled in multiple parties).
Votes in the election for governor determine which parties shall be
recognized as such and each own a line on the ballot
If a Condorcet voter bullet votes, that is voting for one candidate.
An FPTP voter's only capability is to vote for one candidate.
We have exactly the same information from these two votes. Take it from
the FPTP count and recount it into the N*N array by Condorcet rules and you
have exactly
Context is my proposal to do away with Electoral College and NPV, and elect
president via Condorcet.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:51:21 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
If some States only use FPTP, then the condorcet winner is going to be
one of the 2 major parties, right?
NOT necessarily:
Voters in
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