On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 24, 2008, at 3:15 , Raph Frank wrote:
A party ideally, wants candidates who don't get elected (so
they get 'free' votes) or candidates who get more than 1 quota, so the
party gets the excess (more 'free' votes).
Yes, not
On Aug 22, 2008, at 12:12 , Raph Frank wrote:
On 8/22/08, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Finland where the number of candidates is relatively high some
less
obvious candidates may have some trouble getting in to the lists
but on the
other hand some well known figures (that have become
At least traditions, the need to have computers to count the votes,
and maybe also the problem of classifying representatives to more and
less important ones are some reasons why this approach is not widely
used.
Allowing representatives to have different voting power can increase
the
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, in general members of some group in the parliament are expected to vote
the same way most of the time. Different parties have somewhat different
attitude. In some questions the groups explicitly give free hands to their
On 8/22/08, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Finland where the number of candidates is relatively high some less
obvious candidates may have some trouble getting in to the lists but on the
other hand some well known figures (that have become popular (and respected)
in other areas than
Juho wrote:
I could accept also methods where the voting power of each
representative is different. The good part is that such a parliament
would reflect the wishes of the voters more accurately than a parliament
where all the representatives have the same voting power. Maybe one
could force
On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:14 , Raph Frank wrote:
In Ireland, they are pretty open. However, they have been
complaints that
they are annoying.
It is something like you have to be nominated by 20 registered
voters, but
your nominees have to actually be physically present when you
register.
On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:50 , Raph Frank wrote:
In Ireland, the PR-STV system can lead to hostility between local
members
of a party as often the only way to get elected is to win a seat at
the expense
of another party member.
I guess practically all methods with multiple candidates have
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess practically all methods with multiple candidates have some of this
flavour. Maybe the tendency to work together within a party (=smile more
than the competing candidate) and be more hostile towards the candidates of
other
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe one could force the voting
power of different candidates within some agreed range. That could be done
by cutting only the power of the strongest representatives and forwarding
their excess votes to the nearest group (or as
On Aug 22, 2008, at 2:38 , Raph Frank wrote:
Yeah, the are pretty polite in publilc, but you sometimes hear about
complaints about the nomination system.
In Finland where the number of candidates is relatively high some
less obvious candidates may have some trouble getting in to the lists
Sorry for some delay is replying.
(And thanks to all for the links. Those pages seem to include plenty
of good information. I may comment them later when I understand more.)
On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:49 , James Gilmour wrote:
Juho Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:08 AM
To: Election Methods
On Aug 18, 2008, at 1:14 , Raph Frank wrote:
In Ireland, it is rare that parties run more than 2+ candidates in
a given
constituency and if then, only the 2 main parties.
Sounds quite limiting from the point of view of allowing the voters
to decide also which persons will be elected, not
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rules for registering candidates may be different in different countries and
may also be method independent in many cases. Parties may often have a
formal role, but I don't know what the typical rules in STV-PR countries
are.
In
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:18 AM, James Gilmour wrote:
Here are some more data on exhausted ballot in real STV-PR elections:
TASMANIAN HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY POLLS 1913-2006: INCIDENCE OF EXHAUSTED VOTES
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~prsa/history/tas_exha.htm
Raph Frank Sent: Monday,
Juho wrote:
This is a very interesting real life example on how such horizontal
preference orders may impact the elections and strategies in them.
Do you have a list of the strategies/tricks that are used?
One trick that appears, as has been mentioned in other posts here, is
vote
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't know the details of these mechanisms but tickets seem to me like
add-ons that may have both good and bad effects. They do reduce the problems
of vote splitting due to short votes.
In Ireland, there are no 'how to vote' cards.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 20:05 , Raph Frank wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't know the details of these mechanisms but tickets seem to me
like
add-ons that may have both good and bad effects. They do reduce
the problems
of vote splitting due to short
Juho Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:29 PM
On Aug 17, 2008, at 20:05 , Raph Frank wrote:
The problem for parties is that the surplus doesn't remain within the
party and leads to a vote management strategy. (If none of their
candidates have a large surplus, then they get to keep most
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 17, 2008, at 20:05 , Raph Frank wrote:
Voting the 'party ticket' in this context is just voting for all
candidates that your party puts forward before giving any
rankings to any other candidate.
It makes sense to me to
On Aug 16, 2008, at 0:51 , James Gilmour wrote:
Juho Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:27 PM
I understood that in this case the parties were irrelevant and
therefore basic lists may be sufficient to put in place a structure
that covers all the relevant questions.
If by party we mean a formal
On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Juho wrote:
I was thinking of the regular political parties that otherwise exist
in the country but that are not relevant in these school elections.
But you
cannot have lists without some comparable formal procedures. And
in any event, basic lists are never
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