Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-09 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 10:46 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Raphfrk you wrote: One issue with random processes is that they don't work well for a legislature. A majority would just keep asking that the vote be repeated until they win it. Saying that a re-vote cannot occur unless the situation

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge +new method AMP

2008-05-09 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Juho, you wrote: Yes, but as I see it the reasons are different. In a typical non- deterministic method like random ballot I think it is the intention to give all candidates with some support also some probability of becoming elected. Not at all! At least in those non-deterministic

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge +new method AMP

2008-05-09 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 20:27 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Juho, you wrote: Yes, but as I see it the reasons are different. In a typical non- deterministic method like random ballot I think it is the intention to give all candidates with some support also some probability of becoming elected. Not

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Juho, you wrote: One observation on clone independence and electing a centrist candidate using rankings only and when one of the extremists has majority. ... It is thus impossible for the algorithm in this case and with this information (rankings only) to satisfy both requirements and

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Raphfrk, you wrote There needs to be some system for providing an incentive for people to give their honest ratings.? A random system with trading seems like a reasonable solution. I am glad that I am no longer alone with this opinion... If a majority has a 100% chance of getting their

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 0:56 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: For A1,A2 to be considered clones, the ratings would have to be something like 51: A1 100 A2 99 C 55 B 0 49: B 100 C 55 A1 1 A2 0 Could be also e.g. A C 99 B 0 and after inserting the clones A1 100 A2 99 C 98 B 0 There are thus many

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 1:09 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: Usually I consider Random Ballot a benchmark method for this very reason: the default winning probability of a candidate should equal the proportion of the voter who favour her. Any deviances from this default distribution should be justified

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I wanted to consider this afresh. At 01:58 PM 4/28/2008, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Hello folks, over the last months I have again and again tried to find a solution to a seemingly simple problem: The Goal - Find a group decision method which will elect C with near certainty in the