Hallo,
the student senate of the North Carolina State
University adopted Condorcet voting for referenda:
http://students.ncsu.edu/sgims/archive-87/bill/efficient-fair-elections-act-1064.html
The Condorcet method is defined in §204. No
tie-breaking rule is specified; when there
is no Condorcet
Hi, Juho
re: Yes, the new method has some properties that support this (i.e.,
replacing emotion with reason, flg). It is however not guaranteed that
feelings, parties and other differentiating factors will not find their
way in and play some role also in that method.
You are correct. We
Good Afternoon, Kevin
When reading, did you see the
[Election-Methods] Selecting Leaders From The People
post from February 4th? A major impediment to selecting our leaders
FROM the people is the role of political parties, and that led to the
discussion on this thread.
The cited post
On Jun 12, 2008, at 21:01 , Fred Gohlke wrote:
As a very good friend wrote me recently about what would happen if
members of parliament in his country were selected by such a
method ...
When people in parliament form cliques, they (would be) building
majority opinions on specific issues.
At 11:50 PM 6/11/2008, Greg wrote:
The FairVote document that debunks Dopp's claims is available at:
http://www.fairvote.org/dopp
Or, more accurately, attempts to debunk. Ms.
Dopp is a voting security expert, not an election
methods expert, and some of her statements can be
flawed,
2. Dopp: Requires centralized vote counting procedures at the state-level
IRV creates no need to centralize the counting
or the ballots themselves, although that is one
possible counting procedure -- and indeed a
central count is often sensible for smaller
jurisdictions. But all that is
The method used in Ireland is the Contingent
Vote. There
cannot be more than two rounds of
counting, because all
but the top two are
eliminated in one step, if there is no
majority in the first round.
Sorry to jump in on a (relatively) minor point.? I am 99% sure
this is not
7. Dopp: Difficult and time-consuming to manually count
Manual counts can take slightly longer than
vote-for-one elections, but aren't difficult,
unless many different races on a ballot need to
go to a runoff count. As cited earlier, Irish
election administrators can count more than a
6. Dopp: Makes post election data and exit poll
analysis much more difficult to perform
To date, IRV election can make it easier to do
post-election and exit poll analysis. Because
optical scan counts with IRV require capturing
of ballot images, San Francisco (CA) and
Burlington (VT)
Abd, inappropriately started the trend of cc'ing me on these messages.
So despite the fact that I am signed up for this list on digest mode,
I am receiving each of these messages individually. Please return to
the polite practice of replying only to the list.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM,
10. Dopp: IRV entrenches the two-major-political party system
IRV neither entrenches nor overthrows the
two-party system. It simply ensures no candidate
wins over majority opposition. If a minor party
has the support to earn a majority of vote, it
can win in an IRV election. If not, it
11. Dopp: Could deliver unreasonable outcomes
.
Unreasonable outcomes are less likely with IRV
than with any other single-seat voting method in use today.
Top-two runoff? Approval Voting (used in a number
of professional societies)? Borda Count, used in
various forms in a few places for
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