Re: [Election-Methods] [english 95%] Re: [english 94%] Re: method design challenge +new method AMP

2008-05-03 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Juho, this sounds nice -- the crucial point is that we'll have to analyse what strategic voters will vote under that method! Obviously, it makes no sense to the A voters to reverse their CB preference since that would eliminate C instead of B and will result in B winning instead of C...

Re: [Election-Methods] [english 94%] Re: method design challenge +new method AMP

2008-05-03 Thread raphfrk
Juho wrote: Here's an example on how the proposed method might work. I'll use your set of votes but only the rankings. 51: ACB 49: BCA Let's then reverse the votes to see who the voters don't like. 51: BCA 49: ACB Then we'll use STV (or some other proportional method) to

[Election-Methods] Measuring satisfaction in a multi winner election

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Hi bunch, this mail oriented me toward a nother subject I like: Measuring satisfaction among voters. When comparing the result to the possible candidates, one can determine its level of satisfaction by the proportion of candidates elected compared to the number that received support form the

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Satisfaction analysis should help answer your question Diego Santos a écrit : I was not enough clear when i wrote my previous email. The '' is not a real approval mark on the ballot, it was only a satisfaction limit from each voter. I am arguing that not always the Condorcet winner is the

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Again satisfaction analysis can be used to objectively determine which of IRV and FTP produces the best outcome. Using enough election data, one could even measure how often IRV may elect the candidate not favored by most voters. My humble estimation is rarely (1/50 times). In comparison I

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV unconstitutional? (replies)

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Yes those flaws exist. But their FPTP equivalent (vote-splitting) happens very more often than the sum of occurence of the previously cited. Warren Smith a écrit : St.Rouillon: IRV defendors should aim at showing that IRV flaws are smaller than FPTP flaws, thus FPTP should be declared

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2008-05-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Stéphane Rouillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again satisfaction analysis can be used to objectively determine which of IRV and FTP This statement does not make logical sense because measuring feelings like satisfaction is not an objective measure. For example

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Of course, I supposed that the information provided from ballots was sincere And I supposed that the outcome that would have been obtained if all voters had voted like a particular voter would give 100% satisfaction to this particular voter. Stéphane Kathy Dopp a écrit : On Sat, May 3,

[Election-Methods] Comparing multi-winner methods

2008-05-03 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Hello Kevin, these ratios are guesses I have for real elections. But I am fed up with guesses so the goal is to build an objective method able to determine for a perticular set (method, ballots expressing sincere preferences, outcome) of one electoral data, the most satisfying method in the

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2008-05-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Stéphane Rouillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I supposed that the information provided from ballots was sincere And just what State do you live in where you will have opportunity to review the ballots that have been secured and reconciled to prevent

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

2008-05-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:29 AM 5/4/2008, Kathy Dopp wrote: However, even despite some voters using strategy because they realize that IRV fundamentally does not work the way it is intended to, you will undoubtedly find ample number of cases of candidates winning elections who were not preferred by most voters.