Re: [Election-Methods] Partisan Politics

2008-05-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:52 PM 5/7/2008, Fred Gohlke wrote: Good Evening, Juho re: I already commented earlier that the groups of three based method that you have studied does not implement proportionality in the traditional way. You're right. It's not traditional, but it sure is proportional. One of the

Re: [Election-Methods] [english 95%] Re: [english 94%] Re: method design challenge +new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Juho Laatu
One observation on clone independence and electing a centrist candidate using rankings only and when one of the extremists has majority. Votes: 51: ACB 49: BCA C is the winner. A will be cloned. The votes could be: 51: A1A2CB 49: BCA2A1 C should still be the winner. B will be cloned. The

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Juho, you wrote: One observation on clone independence and electing a centrist candidate using rankings only and when one of the extremists has majority. ... It is thus impossible for the algorithm in this case and with this information (rankings only) to satisfy both requirements and

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Raphfrk, you wrote There needs to be some system for providing an incentive for people to give their honest ratings.? A random system with trading seems like a reasonable solution. I am glad that I am no longer alone with this opinion... If a majority has a 100% chance of getting their

Re: [Election-Methods] Partisan Politics

2008-05-08 Thread Juho
On May 8, 2008, at 5:52 , Fred Gohlke wrote: re: I already commented earlier that the groups of three based method that you have studied does not implement proportionality in the traditional way. You're right. It's not traditional, but it sure is proportional. One of the unspecified

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 0:56 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: For A1,A2 to be considered clones, the ratings would have to be something like 51: A1 100 A2 99 C 55 B 0 49: B 100 C 55 A1 1 A2 0 Could be also e.g. A C 99 B 0 and after inserting the clones A1 100 A2 99 C 98 B 0 There are thus many

Re: [Election-Methods] method design challenge + new method AMP

2008-05-08 Thread Juho
On May 9, 2008, at 1:09 , Jobst Heitzig wrote: Usually I consider Random Ballot a benchmark method for this very reason: the default winning probability of a candidate should equal the proportion of the voter who favour her. Any deviances from this default distribution should be justified

Re: [Election-Methods] Partisan Politics

2008-05-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:33 PM 5/8/2008, Juho wrote: (If there are e.g. two parties, one small and one large, the probability of getting two small party supporters (that would elect one of them to the next higher level) in a group of three is so small that in the next higher level the number of small party