Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread James Gilmour
Howard Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:18 AM I feel that the need to look for and design a system around geographic proportionality is a waist of time (except as a sales pitch). I believe that geographic proportionality would naturally come out of a truly proportional system (if it was

Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread Terry Bouricius
Steve, I can speak first-hand about the reason to have a legislature that is as broadly diverse as the population, rather than made up of centrist majoritarians... (I served ten years as a third party member of the Vermont House of Representatives in the USA). Society benefits from robust

Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:18 PM 6/23/2008, Howard wrote: I feel that the need to look for and design a system around geographic proportionality is a waist of time (except as a sales pitch). I believe that geographic proportionality would naturally come out of a truly proportional system (if it was important to the

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris Benham)

2008-06-24 Thread Chris Benham
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED]; EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 10:01:46 AM Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris Benham) At 12:55 AM 6/23/2008,

Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread Juho
One reason why districts have been kept is that if there were no districts then voters would have some tendency to vote for the capital area candidates that have typically better access to TV etc. There are typically also more popular figures in general at the capital region. The risk is

Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread Juho
On Jun 24, 2008, at 0:34 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: What do you mean by methods that allow candidates to form a tree like structure? Something like delegable proxy, or just preference ballots with parties instead of candidates? Or nontraditional nested democracy (groups elect members to an

Re: [Election-Methods] Determining representativeness of multiwinner methods

2008-06-24 Thread Juho
On Jun 24, 2008, at 15:44 , Terry Bouricius wrote: That brings me to an interesting issue, which may be off-topic for this list...sortition...the selection of a legislative body by means of modern sampling methods that assure a fully representative body. There is an interesting history of

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting - Not What It Seems

2008-06-24 Thread Chris Benham
Hello, Continuing my commentry on Kathy Dopp's anti-IRV paper, under Flaws of  Instant Runoff  Voting we find: 13. voters may not be allowed to participate in the final selection round of an IRV election because all their choices were eliminated before the last counting round. The only way

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris Benham) (tidied-up re-post)

2008-06-24 Thread Chris Benham
At 12:55 AM 6/23/2008, Chris Benham wrote: Kathy, Imagine  that  Approval is used to elect the  US President and as in the current campaign the Republicans  are fielding one candidate, McCain.  Does that mean that the big fight for the Democrat nomination between  Clinton and Obama we've just

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-06-24 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:45:56 +0300 From: Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:41 , Kathy Dopp wrote: How does the grass in my lawn stay green when I never water or irrigate it and I