03/01/03 - Another error in Craig's argument:
Craig wrote: I found the mistake in my argument that the Vermont method is
monotonic. That argument appeared in my Politicians and Polytopes mailing
list.
The error occurs in the line (A wins) = (Hb Ha).
Donald here, yes, I seen that. The line
01/21/03 - Re: Wasted votes and quotas:
Greetings Doug and list members,
Doug, you wrote: The definition of wasted that I had in mind when I was
writing my
piece on quotas was the votes that remained with the runner-up after
all seats in an election had been filled. (Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003)
01/18/03 - Markus on Parties and Candidates in any mix:
Dear Markus and list members,
Markus, you wrote on Sun, 12 Jan 2003:
From: Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EM] Markus Schulze Wrote and Wrote Again:
Dear Donald, you wrote (12 Jan 2003):
Donald: You should accept this
01/17/03 - No Problem, Olli:
Greetings Olli and list members,
Olli, you wrote: I can see nothing that could be excluded.
Donald here: Then I shall explain for you that which `could be excluded'.
In your example of three seats and three candidates with one-third each,
that which is excluded are
01/16/03 - Hey James, Droop Quota is an Oxymoron:
Greetings James and list members.
James, you wrote: These [Donald's] comments seem to be based on a
misunderstanding of the purpose of elections, on a misunderstanding of the
purpose of the Droop quota, and on a misunderstanding of the arithmetic
01/15/03 - James' reply to my `Northern Ireland Assembly' Letter:
Dear James and list members,
James, you wrote: You may not be advocating one area elections, but you
are quite clearly advocating two other features of voting systems that have
profound political effects, ie near 100% party
Greetings Markus and list members,
Dear Markus, you wrote: The aim of proportional representation is to
minimize the number of wasted votes. However, proportionality is not the
only criterion for a good multi-winner method. Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002,
Donald here: I will agree that
01/05/03 - Two Replies for Olli:
Dear Olli,
First I have a clarificaion. In my last post on the subject of SNTV, I
should have stated that the votes of an eliminated lowest candidate would
not also be eliminated. The votes would stay in the count of the total
party votes. This is why my
01/05/03 - Olli Salmi and d'Hondt:
--- Olli's Letter
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:47:55 +0200 (EET)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Olli Salmi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EM] Davison-SNTV
At 20:17 - 28.12.2002, Donald E Davison wrote:
* Davison-SNTV is your next method of
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:23:30 +1200
To: Mike Ossipoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Craig Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Archery of Mr Ossipoff: missing IRV always
Cc: Donald Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mime-Version: 1.0
That burying problems of where this happens:
[1] added paper = 1
by all these lessons.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election Methods
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05/20/02 - What `is' is (a la Clinton):
Greetings list members,
Richard Moore wrote: Condorcet winner is unambiguous.
Poor Richard cannot say this is true until he first gives us a `rigorous
definition' of what `is' is (a la Clinton).
He should also give us a rigorous definition of the word
candidate is the `true majority candidate' so we can
compare our results when we do decide on which method to use?
This has always puzzled me, how do you know this before you work the math
of some method?
Please reply.
Regards to all, Donald Davison,
PS, I include a copy of Hager's 4/22/02
systems. The corruption of a representative lies in the power of
the vote that he wields. If this power is given to a committee in his home
district then there should be less corruption - Just a thought.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
not, one of our resident
`Super Great' math junkies should be able to elighten us, if for a moment
they would be willing to take their head out of the garbage dump of lower
choices.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate
, Donald
Poor Richard's Original Letter
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 10:55:38 -0700
From: Richard Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EM] aka [Junk Election Methods] 05/05/02 - Condorcet just does
not make the cut:
Donald Davison wrote:
05/05/02
05/05/02 - FWD Math Background:
Forwarded Letter -
From: Narins, Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Donald Davison' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [EM] 05/02/02 - The So Called Compromise Candidate:
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:16:18 -0400
Mr. Davison,
What sort
around in a swamp at night with their heads in the air
inhaling swamp-gas.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election Methods
because the Junk Methods will at times elect your
unelectable favorite for you, but it's still corruption.
I call Approval Voting, Borda, and Condorcet the Junk Methods because these
are methods that allow a voter's lower choices to harm an earlier choice,
that is a no no.
Regards,
Donald Davison
has a better
understanding of election methods and mathematics than you. You would be
wise to pay attention to what she has to say. She's one smart cookie.
Junk Election Methods vs The Allure of IRVing and the winner is IRVing.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http
04/24/02 - FWD Letters of Stéphane:
Greetings EM list,
Donald here, Stéphane has asked me to forward his 4/19 Summary letter to
the EM list.
He sent two letter on 4/19, so, I'm going to send both in the event
neither one was received by the EM list.
Stéphane wrote on 4/22/02:
Could you please
,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election Methods
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04/16/02 - Best to use email to register:
Mike, I too had trouble with the website, until I found the email address
to register.
Best to use the following email address to register:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Send blank email, nothing on the subject line, nothing in the body.
See you on the other
with local
issues, if at all.
Anyway, the distinction needs to be made between partisan and non-partisan
because some election methods are only suited for partisan elections.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election
)
So, to answer the question: When is Mr Ossipoff's favorite not a winner?
Answer: When some method other than Approval Voting is the method being
used in an election.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election
Presidential Election Plan: by Donald Davison - January 15 2001
Draft:
It is possible to use Instant Runoff Voting aka IRVing in one or more or
all the states without the elimination of the Electoral College. This Plan
keeps the Electoral College, but weds it to IRVing in the states.
Each state would use
,KUR)01,02,07,15,16
034,CYR-0333,MCS)01,19,07,09
034,CYR-0334,KUR)01,02,19,09,07,18,15,14,03,04,05,06,10,11,13,12,08,16,17
034,CYR-0335,JON)01,19,07,02,07,09,12
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
Candidate Election Methods
in
any mix.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
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04/06/02 - Meek and Droop can be eliminated:
Mr. Stéphane Rouillon,
Meek is the policy of adjusting the quota downwards after every transfer of
ballots in order to allow for the loss of exhausted ballots.
I claim this Meek policy is not necessary because the Droop quota has
already lowered the
, non-monotonicity is `Much Ado About Nothing'.
Regards, Donald Davison
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:19:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Cambridge Election
01,19,02 01,07,02,19,09,08,18,13,15 [31 total]
01,13
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Adam: What would you, Donald Davison, advise me and those like me to do?
Donald: `Listen up troops, our first objective in this coming election is
for our party to rise up and take over the Number Two Party position in
this area, we can do it. For the first time, the polls are in favor of us
doing
04/03/02 - Mr Stéphane Rouillon wrote:
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:25:55 -0500
1000: A,B
1000: A,C
1000: B,C
1000: B,A
1000: C,A
1000: C,B
Maybe I am mistaken, but this example seems very realistic to me.
Hi Stéphane, Donald here, you are mistaken.
Your example has 6000 votes divided exactly
04/03/02 - Cretney is not reading all his EM email:
Greetings list,
Cretney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, this looks like a personal correspondence between Craig and Rob.
Presumably Craig forwarded this to you...
Davison here, Cretney, you presume wrong. I don't fault you for not
reading
?
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
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average votes per candidate.
This new rule is a major part of my new Preference Voting/STV election
method, which I call Hare-Davison.
Hare-Davison - A New STV Election Method: by Donald Davison
This is my design of Preference Voting/STV.
Hare-Davison has these differences from Preference Voting
Approval Voting the voters are damned if they
do and they are damned if they don't.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
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method lead to IRVing.
Best to start with IRVing and not with Approval nor Borda nor Condorcet.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
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03/31/02 - `Craig has left the Building':
Greetings list members,
Craig wrote:
I quit the Election Methods List at about Wednesday 27 Mar 2002 04:28 UTC.
Craig has left the building.
I suppose now MikeO will be unsubscribing, he won't want to miss any part
of his schoolboy holiday with Craig.
is based on the seats and total votes of the Greater District.
Districts Within Districts will give us the gerrymandering prevention
ability of eight or more seats and the closer member-link of two-seat
sub-districts.
Regards,
Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald
03/29/02 - They're Going!! Mike and Craig are soon to be gone:
Craig Carey wrote: He. I am unsubscribing from the this list. I could
reply to any replies, and perhaps even re-subscribe.
Hi, Donald here, are you quoting Mike Ossipoff? Is he threatening to
unsubscribe again? Those words look
pull your chain.
Or at least, don't let on that your chain has been pulled.
Craig was able to pull your chain and you reacted, but to your credit you
did not stoop to name calling this time, good for you, there's hope for you
yet.
Donald Davison,
Original Letter
From
Approval Voting does not elect the choice of
the people.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], the demolition repo man, is EM's resident expert on the
politics of Detroit. I refer you to him, if you want further details on
this saga. (or possible corrections)
Regards, Donald Davison, http
02/12/02
Hi DemoRepoMan,
My favorite `If' saying is: If a Frog had Wings he wouldn't bump his Ass
Donald,
Original Letter ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:25:19 EST
Subject: RE: 02/06/02 - Adam's 02/02 example of three equal candidates:
To: [EMAIL
02/09/02 - Approval favors certain candidates:
Dear Adam,
You wrote: Perhaps it was best to let Mark's flippant response to your
flippant post stand alone...
Donald: I don't recall reading Mark's response to my post. I must not be
getting all my email, or most likely I deleted his post my
or friendly debate?
Sincerely,
Tom Ruen
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Dear Tom,
Welcome to the Hare camp.
Your up coming board election will be more proportional with Hare.
Regards, Donald Davison
wins.
Regards, Donald Davison
02/03/02 - STV for Candidate Lists:
Dear Adam,
You wrote: While it [Party List] is not quite as efficient in making
every vote elect a representative as STV is, it is highly proportional,
highly democratic, and extremely simple to implement and understand.
Donald: While I agree to the good
0/03/02 - FWD - [instantrunoff] IRV @ Carleton College!
--- Forwarded Letter -
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:42:09 -0600
Subject: [instantrunoff] IRV @ Carleton College!
Here's a success story for IRV supporters.
the fifty per cent
number? What empirical study can you give us as a basis of such an
assertion?
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02/02/02 - No, it is not what the party leaders want! by Donald Davison
Dear Ren,
You wrote: Dear Donald, You ask, What does the public
one election.
IRVing is superior in math when the number of candidates are four or more.
Regards, Donald Davison
- Original Letter -
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:16:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Barney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Election_Methods-list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EM
is that it will make it easy for a
partisan STV election to allow the people to vote for candidates and/or
parties in any mix. The averaging will always divide all votes equally
between all the remaining candidates of a party without the need to split
up any of the party votes.
Regards, Donald Davison
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Instant Runoff Voting and the Electoral College: by Donald Davison -
January 15 2001 Draft:
It is possible to use Instant Runoff Voting aka IRVing in one or more
or all the states without the elimination of the Electoral College.
Each
mix.
Regards, Donald Davison
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Multi-Seat Election Methods: by Donald E Davison
For Elections Conducted in a Single-Area
Study Material for Political Change - Revised 11/01/00
The Ladder of Methods for the Election
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:32:12 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Some new, some old, all humor
A good pun is its own reword.
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