Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-11 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Blake Cretney wrote: Well, I can't tell anymore whether we disagree or not. Here's my point. If some people are able to get more influence by a greater understanding of the method, or better guesses about how other's are voting, I say that is a bad thing, although to

Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-05 Thread Forest Simmons
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Blake Cretney wrote: Joe Weinstein wrote: As a citizen and voter, I don't want the election method to give gratuitous incentive to CAMPAIGN strategies which aim to confuse and entrap voters, e.g. thru introduction of incontestable fallacious poll data or

Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-04 Thread Forest Simmons
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Forest Simmons wrote: My thinking about Nurmi and Bartholdi's measure of manipulability is similar to Mike's. Consider the example of Perverse Random Ballot: the winner is the candidate at the bottom of the list on a randomly chosen ballot. The optimum strategy is

Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-04 Thread Joe Weinstein
As a citizen and voter, I don't want the election method to give gratuitous incentive to CAMPAIGN strategies which aim to confuse and entrap voters, e.g. thru introduction of incontestable fallacious poll data or of extra clones (pro or maybe con a given position). But I do have a VOTING

Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-04 Thread Forest Simmons
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Markus Schulze wrote: Dear Forest, in so far as IRV meets majority for solid coalitions and independence from clones, IRV can hardly be called erratic compared to primary with runoff. Markus Schulze I suppose there are as many meanings of erratic as there are of

Re: [EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-03 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, you wrote (2 Feb 2002): Markus wrote (2 Feb 2002): Due to Nurmi and Bartholdi, the more information you need about the opinions of the voters resp. the more accurate this information must be to be able to calculate a strategy, the less vulnerable to strategies the used

[EM] Markus Manipulability

2002-02-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Markus, we went over this a long time ago on this list. Markus wrote: Due to Nurmi and Bartholdi, the more information you need about the opinions of the voters resp. the more accurate this information must be to be able to calculate a strategy, the less vulnerable to strategies the used