Re: Lying about FBC

2002-11-06 Thread Alex Small
Craig- Since you didn't request that I keep your message private, and since you seem to enjoy reading the list and issuing patronizing comments concerning posts, I might as well make public this discussion of my posts. If you wish for me to keep your message private, please say so in the future

Re: [EM] Condorcet Violates Strong FBC

2002-11-06 Thread Forest Simmons
Here's why I believe that no voting method based on ranked ballots can satisfy both the Favorite Betrayal Criterion and the Majority Criterion: Suppose that sincere preferences are given by x:ABC y:BCA z:CAB and that none of the three factions has a majority. Suppose (by way of contradiction)

Re: [EM] Condorcet Violates Strong FBC

2002-11-06 Thread Elisabeth Varin/Stephane Rouillon
Please explain CRAB Forest Simmons a écrit : Random ballot does satisfy strong FBC. I suspect that no majoritarian method absolutely satisfies strong FBC, though some methods like the instant version of CRAB (Cumulative Repeated Approval Balloting) satisfy it for all practical purposes.

Re: [EM] Condorcet Violates Strong FBC

2002-11-06 Thread Forest Simmons
Here's the instant version of CRAB: Voters submit ranked preference ballots. Suppose that there are N voters and K candidates. Initialize a one by K array C by letting the j_th entry be the number of first place votes of candidate j. Then ... While the maximum entry in C is less than N*K+1

Re: [EM] Relevance of Consistency

2002-11-06 Thread Forest Simmons
Some Condorcet devotees disparage the Consistency Criterion only because no Condorcet method can satisfy it. Others do not disparage it, but reluctantly let go of it for the same reason. But Condorcet (unlike IRV) methods are very close to the boundary of the set of methods that do satisfy the

Re: Relevance of Consistency

2002-11-06 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I'd said: Consistency, like a number of other criteria, is relevant to how well a voting system reflects the electorate's wishes. Say a candidate wins in each district. If he wins in each district, there's a meaningful sense in which he can be called the people's choice in each district. One

Re: [EM] Condorcet Flavored PR Methods

2002-11-06 Thread Adam Tarr
Forest, I finally got around to reading this series of posts. It's very interesting stuff and you've obviously made a lot of progress on this. A few comments: - I'd imagine you're aware of this, but this approach passes the sanity check of reducing to a regular pairwise matrix when the size